Re: [ifwp] Re: announcement from the Berkman Center

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Chuck and all,

Chuck Gomes wrote:

> I think Kent may have accurately described IANA's style of openness with regard to
> the IFWP meetings:  "IANA will note the IFWP result, as it has noted previous IFWP
> results, and incorporate the good points."  Apparently, IANA decides which points
> are good regardless of what the IFWP participants may think.  That would explain
> why some of the IFWP results were ignored.

  Your evaluation of what the IANA feels are the good points of the comments that
havebeen submitted as comments to their 2nd iteration of their bylaws and put
incorporated
them into their third iteration of their bylaws alone with their first draft of the
articles of incorporation.  This third IANA draft of the bylaws is far from what has
already
been agreed upon by consensus at the IFWP meeting already held.  THis seems
to be a "Thumbing of the preverbal nose" at the IFWP process by the IANA.

>
>
> Chuck Gomes
>
> Kent Crispin wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 12:05:18PM -0400, Milton Mueller wrote:
> > >Its way too late in the day for these kinds of exchanges. IANA cannot ignore
> > >IFWP any more than it can ignore IANA. In the end, both processes have to
> > >satisfy Magaziner, and then other elements of the US government.
> >
> > Of course IANA will not ignore IFWP.  The issue is whether IANA
> > should participate in the Berkman meeting, or remain an impartial
> > observer.
> >
> > >Consider your bluff called. If IANA doesn't show up in Cambridge, the plan for
> > >incorporation will be drafted and ratified without it.
> >
> > And IANA will note the IFWP result, as it has noted previous IFWP
> > results, and incorporate the good points.
> >
> > Please note that the overwhelming support of the IETF clearly
> > indicates that the IFWP is *not* the only body involved -- there were
> > as many people at the IETF plenary as there have been at ALL THE IFWP
> > MEETINGS COMBINED -- people, companies, and institutions who deep and
> > long history of involvement in the Internet.  In addition, while the
> > IETF is primarily a protocol / standards body, it really involves much
> > more -- these are individuals from industry and academia and government
> > and public interest organizations, and really represent a much much
> > broader cross-section of the Internet community than you imagine.
> >
> > >At best, Magaziner will
> > >accept this draft and ignore IANA. At worst, he will be confronted with two
> > >plans, exactly what he said he didn't want to see.
> >
> > The IETF action demonstrates beyond any question that the anti-IANA
> > sentiments expressed by you and others on this list are *not* the
> > consensus of the Internet community.  It demonstrates with absolute
> > clarity that there needs to be an objective, "honest broker" that
> > stays above the debate and synthesizes the results of the different
> > points of view.
> >
> > IANA has attempted to perform that role of "honest broker".  You and
> > others decry this, but in fact IANA is the only entity in a position
> > to perform this function.  Further, despite your opposition, the fact
> > is that the new corporation IS the new IANA, and from that perspective
> > as well the old IANA has a distinguished position in all this.
> >
> > The proper procedure for IANA, IMO is for it to decline to
> > participate in the CLOSED Berkman proceeding, and to incorporate the
> > results in its final draft, as it has been doing all along.
> >
> > Magaziner will not ignore IANA.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > --
> > Kent Crispin, PAB Chair                 "No reason to get excited",
> > kent@songbird.com                       the thief he kindly spoke...
> > PGP fingerprint:   B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44  61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55
> > http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
> >
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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