Re: [ga] Teleconference

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Excuse me,
 
Enlighten me, but is this the same man who filled in for Harold as GA chairman 
in Melbourne? Shoot four years ago or so he appeared in the largest attended 
meeting as chair of the GA in a dirty ragged tee shirt and he ranked of body 
odor. I remember a beautifully robed Ghana man and a well suited hardworking 
Vietnamese from Hanoi joking what a dishelved pig he was. Gaetanos eyes were 
glazed from what and where I do not know. At that time Elizebeth was a mover 
and shaker, Jefsey was sitting as a member of the GAC. Joop, YJ, Danny and 
others including a beautiful gal from So. America sat and discussed the 
difference between Noncoms and individuals. Peter and Peter argued over ccTLD 
involvement and accounting.
If this is the same guy somebody wake me up. Isn't he a Nuclear salesman of 
some sort.
Perhaps personalities do not matter. Then again maybe they do.
Hey I am not name calling I am just telling the truth. Someone tell me I am 
wrong.
 
Eric

Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I would like to comment on Roberto Gaetano's remarks.  Roberto states:  
http://forum.icann.org/mail-archive/alac/msg00951.html
 
"As for the teleconference before the meeting, I have mixed feelings. If the 
purpose is to present the agenda and to gather feedback, a teleconference might 
be an overkill. If, on the other hand, what we are aiming for is to set a 
precedent for having open teleconferences for discussion, and therefore 
interaction among all participants, I would prefer to discuss the implications 
of this choice before making a decision.  The problem is, IMHO, scaleability. I 
am sympathetic to John's experience as Mayor of his small village. However, I 
could hardly see the same approach working for Los Angeles. We are addressing 
an AtLarge community that now happens to count a number of active members that 
are even outnumbered by the inhabitants of John's village, but we cannot think 
that the size will remain that small. As a matter of fact, if we do believe 
that the numbers will remain on this order of magnitude, we might as w! ell 
close the shop right now and go home.  In other words, we nee!
d to
 design and propose solutions that work for Los Angeles, not for a small 
village."
 
I totally disagree with Roberto.  By comparison I look at the GNSO Business 
Constituency.  This is a group that purportedly represents the millions upon 
millions of businesses throughout the world.  It currently has 32 members.  If 
you subtract those constituency members that have no interest in any DNS issues 
other than Intellectual Property concerns (and should frankly be in another 
constituency), and then eliminate those businesses that only signed up in order 
to become future registry operators, and then subtract those businesses that 
participate solely because they are associated with ICANN insiders or act as 
fronts for registrars, then at best you will have remaining a mere handful of 
firms most of whom never participate on the BC discussion list -- I speak from 
experience as my wife's firm was formerly a BC member and privy to the almost 
total lack of discussion on the BC list.  
 
So, if the millions upon millions of worldwide businesses are represented by 
only a very very few people (and the ICANN Board deems this to be acceptable), 
why then should we expect the At-Large community to be any different?  Why 
should we ever expect a massive city-sized turnout of individuals that are 
prepared to swim through a sea of acronyms: ICANN, ISOC, IAB, IETF, IESG, IRTF, 
IANA, W3C, ETSI, ASO, NRO, GAC, ALAC, DNSO, GNSO, ccNSO.  
 
Why should we think that infrastructure policy is so fascinating to the average 
man in the street, that he will rise up in a massive hoard and passionately 
join deliberations on registrar contract compliance issues, or ruminate over 
the titillating nuances of the IRIS protocol and its implications for WHOIS 
policy?  
 
It's not going to happen.  It will never happen.  When the Non-Commercial 
Constituency was formed it rapidly accrued close to 120 member organizations; 
they now have only 37 remaining on their roster of members.  If anything, 
public interest in ICANN's activities is diminishing, not expanding, and the 
only scalability issue that we face is the need to scale down.
 
The ALAC only needs to accommodate the participation of a limited number of 
activists that choose to represent the interests of the public, in much the 
same manner that the business constituency needs to accommodate the 
participation of activist Marilyn Cade who no longer represents AT&T but rather 
represents only herself as an individual businesswoman.
 
On a final note, just because activist participation is limited doesn't mean 
that we should just close the shop and go home.  Participation is limited for a 
number of very obvious reasons:
 
I don't know about you, but as an individual I can't afford to spend close to 
$6000 a year on travel/hotels/etc. just to influence the ICANN Board; neither 
can i give up over three weeks of vacation time yearly and deny my family their 
needs just to periodically confer with ALAC committee members that have 
virtually no policy-formulating power whatsoever within the ICANN structure. 
 
The at-large will never show up in droves at ALAC meetings; they never showed 
up in droves at General Assembly sessions either.  Pragmatic realities are such 
that at-large participation will invariably be remote.  Recently, Milton 
Mueller's Convergence Center demonstrated the facile use of Elluminate 
conferencing software in sessions held both in Syracuse and in Geneva.  If you 
want a reasonable suggestion... have ICANN purchase some type of quality 
conferencing software for the at-large so that participants from around the 
globe can readily join in and raise their virtual hands to be recognized by a 
moderator, view presentations, hear speakers, and chat simultaneously.  
 
How many millions will ICANN spend next year?  Why not spend a few dollars on 
at-large communication/participation tools?  That will have a far greater value 
and impact than sending ICANN staff around the planet to set up ALAC outreach 
booths.


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