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[bc-gnso] Notes from GAC meeting with ICANN Staff on new gTLD program

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  • Subject: [bc-gnso] Notes from GAC meeting with ICANN Staff on new gTLD program
  • From: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:49:38 -0500
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;border:none;padding:0in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>From:
Steve DelBianco, BC vice chair for policy coordination<br>
<br>
Below are notes from Sunday’s GAC meeting, where ICANN staff presented new gTLD
models for EOI and application evaluation. This is the same presentation given
to GNSO on Saturday (see <a
href="http://nbo.icann.org/meetings/nairobi2010/presentation-gnso-gtld-update-06mar10-en.pdf";>http://nbo.icann.org/meetings/nairobi2010/presentation-gnso-gtld-update-06mar10-en.pdf</a>
<br>
<br>
Also heard from Interpol and WIPO on concerns with cybercrime and domain abuse.
&nbsp;Abril gave a presentation promoting Lingusitic Community TLDs (using .cat
as his example, of course)<br>
<br>
Perhaps some of this may be helpful to our Councilors as they meet with GAC
later today at 5pm.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;border:none;padding:0in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand asked about using IP
Clearinghouse after sunrise period.   Staff (Karen Lentz) said no requirement
but registry could use it after sunrise.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>UK not happy that IP
Clearinghouse will exclude all EU TMs since they don’t do substantive
examinations.  Won't include UK TMs issued after 2007.  &quot;This is a
significant point of concern&quot;</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Sweden: can't see the differences
between EOI and new gTLD round.  Have issues with TM system too.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Unknown:  will TM Clearinghouse
include TMs in different languages?  Will geographic names in all languages be 
in
the clearinghouse?     ICANN should announce EOI strings translated to all
languages, even if the expression was only for an English string. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>UK (Mark) on GAC comments on
DAGv3:</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Comments are drafted and
undergoing edits/review. Danish edit is most significant. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Overarching issues still give us
concern. Registration abuse is key but still being worked on.   </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Strong consensus that economic
justification for gTLD expansion has not been fully developed yet.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Germany: geographic names should
include common abbreviations too. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand: need to address
single-registrant TLDs, like brands where registry will give customers
second-level domains – but not sell them.   And the GAC wants to see
exploration of how categories/track differentiation could help in EOI and gTLD
program.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand gave an interesting
example of why the EOI could create problems: imagine a city govt wants to
solicit RFPs from multiple operators.   But if the city selects the operator
after EOI begins, the applicant will have missed the window to apply for the
string.  This could penalize categories like geographical names.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Presentation by Paul Horne (UK
Law Enforcement) on recommendations for RAA amendment:</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>These recommendations are
supported by Interpol and G8 Cyber WG.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Called out lack of accurate
registration info and proxies.   &quot;27% of domain name owners not readily
traceable in top 5 gTLDs&quot;</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Wants mandatory minimum
requirements instead of optional best practices. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>ICANN should carry out periodical
due diligence on every Rr and Ry and on every proxy/privacy service provider. 
</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Mandatory for Rr to collect and
validate accurate registrant data. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Proxy/privacy should only be
available to private individuals for non-commercial purposes.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>These requirements might raise
registration costs but would also raise risks to criminal enterprises. 
</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>UK (Mark):  UK fully backs these 
Interpol
recommendations.  Let's get rest of GAC to support them as well.  Let's do it
this week as a consensus of the GAC.  (2 other govts indicated support 
)</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Report from WIPO:</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>GAC, INTA, and WIPO are concerned
about proposed TM protections.  But &quot;Special interests have transformed
concerns into unworkable proposals.&quot;  WIPO and IRT proposed post
delegation methods, but present STI models have lost sight of objectives in
order to get the round going. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>ICANN should re-focus on original
WIPO/IRT proposals.   </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>He questioned GAC draft letter on
DAGv3, which says that IP Clearinghouse and URS adequately address concerns that
GAC raised in its Seoul communiqué.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>UK: GPML is a lost cause but I'm
still hearing that GPML would provide a powerful instrument for global brands. 
</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand: What's being done to
address these problems in exist Rr and Ry?  Are current rules being 
enforced?</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>WIPO reply: we're more concerned
with post-delegation mechanisms, since applicants aren't likely to fail in the
pre-delegation stage. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>New topic: Linguistic Communities
(LC) are not being adequately served in new gTLD proposal.  Presentation by
Abril I Abril on lessons from .cat</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>40,000 domain names in 
.cat</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>over 30% were first-time
registrants (no prior domain name or website)</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>.cat has real success in content:
22 million pages in .cat (per Google)</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>only 4 UDRP cases; only one was
cyberquatting</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>.cat complies with its charter;<i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> he rejected proposal to register 5000 cat 
names!</i></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>.cat has very little malicious
conduct  (less than .gov! )</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>policy promotes language and
culture – not domainers</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>IDN's are treated as same
registry object as their equivalent ASCII</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>ICANN must request high standards
for registration policies and enforcement.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>New topic:  EOI</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand:  GAC letter to Board
asked to delay vote until Nairobi discussions. GAC has questions about EOI
proposal and its impact on the gTLD process:  </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Is the EOI establishing rules
that have not yet been finalized? </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Is the EOI the start of the new
gTLD round?  If so, there are consequences to be addressed. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima;
mso-fareast-font-family:Optima;mso-bidi-font-family:Optima'>1.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Has the
purpose of the EOI been clarified?  (data or pre-registration)</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima;
mso-fareast-font-family:Optima;mso-bidi-font-family:Optima'>2.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Mandatory
nature may have unintended consequences (land grab, artificial boost in number
of strings, </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima;
mso-fareast-font-family:Optima;mso-bidi-font-family:Optima'>3.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Does EOI
penalize small applicants?</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima;
mso-fareast-font-family:Optima;mso-bidi-font-family:Optima'>4.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Does EOI
facilitate or prevent an orderly launch of new gTLDs?</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Questions about EOI are <u>not</u>
questions about whether to launch new gTLDs.  That's a given.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Italy (Stefano Trumpy):  EOI is
really completion of preparation for real launch.   Could inform categories
sought by applicants.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Sweden: we don’t see difference
between EOI and real launch.  If EOI is indication of market response, okay. 
But if the EOI is really a pre-launch, we have concerns.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Unknown: DAG must be finalized
before EOI or it would be useless.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand: tension is that
applicants need a level of certainty in order to apply.  But not if we just
want to know the number of strings (and objections).  </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand asked if EOI will
inflate the number of strings sought. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Unknown: no, the $55K fee is so
high that EOI will not stimulate more strings.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Australia: if there are
outstanding policy issues it will create risks for applicants. Risks may
outweigh potential benefits.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand: EOI is going beyond
data gathering.  If it is really the beginning of the round, won't that make it
harder to explain what it is as you (ICANN) go around the world to communicate
new gTLDs?</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Staff: not really. If Board
approves EOI we will start our communications process right away with press
releases and announcements.   To last at least 4 months.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Unknown: ccTLD EOI was non
exclusive and not binding. Why do we call it EOI if it does not give us any
flexibility afterwards?  </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Staff: that's why we'd call it
&quot;Expression of Interest and Pre-registration&quot; if it's 
mandatory.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Germany:  from what I've heard
this is purely a pre-registration on the basis of rules not yet set. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Unknown: I thought EOI was a good
idea to identify strings and do market analysis.  </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>African: if EOI is the pre-launch
why hasn't the communications program occurred first?  A lot of uncertainties
surround the overarching issues.  Govts of developing countries are listening
but we have not begun educating our people.</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Staff: EOI fee is refundable only
if new round does not begin in, say, 18 months. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Bertrand: EOI proposal would be
mandatory on the string and mandatory on the applicant.   Only the number of
strings is related to root scaling.  If that's all we want to know, then let any
applicant apply for published strings. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Valuable keyword strings have
high semantic value and short length.  Is a TLD a product to be marketed, or a
resource to be managed?   Keywords have public value and so they should be
managed in the public interest.  Is the EOI model serving public interest? 
France proposed EOI for the strings but not for applicants.  </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>EOI has really already begun:
Over last 2 years we have seen publication of strings sought by applicants.
(Bertrand displayed his list of about 40 geographic, keyword, and community
category strings )</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Germany: categorizations are
interesting, but GAC should not take stand on this. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Unknown: If GAC just raises 
concerns,
we are accused of slowing down progress.  We should help to find solutions.  A
category model could be a solution.  What's expected of us by end of this 
week?</span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>Stefano: GAC should ask ICANN to
give space to less developed countries and new actors in the first round.   The
EOI is a discriminatory process because it follows market rules. </span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima'>USA (Fiona): If EOI is data
gathering, we're fine.   But if EOI is a pre-launch before issues are resolved,
then it is not consistent with Affirmation of Commitments.</span></p>

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