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Re[2]: [bc-gnso] Vested interests - status quo - market incumbents - anti trust

  • To: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] Vested interests - status quo - market incumbents - anti trust
  • From: Michael Castello <michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:47:17 -0700

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<p>Mike,</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>I believe the bottom up consensus makes sense if it obtains initial resolve 
amongst the general members, then progresses as a mandate to committee for 
conclusion. If applied in this manner there would be less resistance with the 
final statement. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Michael Castello</p>
<p>CEO/President</p>
<p>Castello Cities Internet Network, Inc.</p>
<p><a class=rvts6 href="http://www.ccin.com";>http://www.ccin.com</a></p>
<p><a class=rvts6 href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxx</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>--</p>
<p>Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 5:14:27 AM, you wrote:</p>
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<p><span class=rvts7>i'd like to add something to the scope of this discussion 
-- the question of whether the consensus decision-making model is really the 
best one to use in all cases. &nbsp;the early ICANN documents talk about a 
"bottom-up process" for quite a while. &nbsp;then, at some point which is hard 
to pin down, that language changed to "bottom-up consensus-based process." 
&nbsp;i've had a hard time figuring out why that choice was made. &nbsp;there 
are all kinds of decision-making processes with different strengths and 
weaknesses. &nbsp;the primary weaknesses of consensus are a) it's not well 
suited to making decisions quickly or on a schedule and b) it can lead to a 
no-decision outcome (which can be gamed). &nbsp;</span></p>
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<p><span class=rvts7>what would be neat, in my view, would be an addition to 
the chartering process which decided what policy-development model AND 
decision-making approach would be used when launching a PDP, with some 
guidelines to help people decide...</span></p>
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<p><span class=rvts7>mikey</span></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><span class=rvts7>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><span class=rvts7>On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Philip Sheppard 
wrote:</span></p>
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<p><span class=rvts8>In the context of the VI debater Mike R has made a telling 
comment:</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts7>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts9>"I do not think it possible to get the support of parties 
who have a vested economic interest in the status quo"</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts7>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts8>This to my mind is one of the key flaws of the WG model of 
policy development. Incumbents are able to manipulate future markets.</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts8>This has anti-trust implications.</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts7>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts8>A User House project could usefully take this up for 
broader discussion.</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts8>First steps would by CSG agreement to do so.</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts8>Sarah - would you be willing to take this 
forward?</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts7>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts8>Philip</span></p>
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<p><span class=rvts10>- - - - - - - - -</span></p>
<p><span class=rvts10>phone&nbsp;&nbsp;651-647-6109 &nbsp;</span></p>
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