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RE: Revised Draft -- RE: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on EstablishingStandard Contract for UDRP Providers
- To: "Phil Corwin" <pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: Revised Draft -- RE: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on EstablishingStandard Contract for UDRP Providers
- From: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:08:54 -0700
<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div>Phil,</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for getting this
done. It is a most sensible position and reflects one of the essential
questions to which every business deserves an answer: What are the rules?
</div><div><br></div><div>Sometimes ICANN reminds me of the card game from Mark
Harris' book, <u>Bang the Drum Slowly</u>. The game was called TEGWAR --
the exciting game without any rules -- and it was used by the veterans on the
team to fleece the rookies.</div><div><br></div><div>I am in support of knowing
the rules. It is the only way to play the game
fairly.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>John
Berard<br></div>
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Subject: Revised Draft -- RE: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position<br>
on EstablishingStandard Contract for UDRP Providers<br>
From: Phil Corwin <<a
href="mailto:pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Date: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:15 am<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:zahid@xxxxxxxxx";>zahid@xxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto:zahid@xxxxxxxxx";>zahid@xxxxxxxxx</a>>, Sarah B
Deutsch<br>
<<a
href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx";>sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>"<br>
<<a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>>,
"'<a href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>'"<br>
<<a href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>>,
Philip Sheppard <<a
href="mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx";>philip.sheppard@xxxxxx</a>>, <br>
BC Secretariat <<a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
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</style> <div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 10pt;"> <div>Thanks Zahid, much appreciated.</div>
<div> </div> <div>A fourth (and I hope final) draft is attached which
drops the "duopoly" reference and replaces it with "vast majority", and
which deletes the redundant sentence on flexible and effective means
of enforcement.</div> <div> </div> <div>Any further comments or
suggestions?</div> <div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Tahoma" size="2">
<div style="margin: 4.8pt 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size:
12pt;"><font color="navy" face="Arial Black" size="2"><span style="font-family:
Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Arial Black">Philip S.
Corwin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Partner<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Butera & Andrews<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> 1301 Pennsylvania Ave., NW<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Suite 500<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Washington, DC
20004</font></span></font></div> <div style="margin: 4.8pt 0in; font-family:
'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12pt;"><font color="navy" face="Arial Black"
size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><font
face="Arial Black"><font face="arial black">202-347-6875 (office)</font><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></span></font></div> <div
style="margin: 4.8pt 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size:
12pt;"><font color="navy" face="Arial Black" size="2"><span style="font-family:
Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Arial Black">202-347-6876
(fax</font>)</span></font></div> <div style="margin: 4.8pt 0in; font-family:
'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12pt;"><font color="navy" face="Arial Black"
size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><font
face="Arial Black">202-255-6172 (cell)</font></span></font></div> <div
style="margin: 4.8pt 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size:
12pt;"><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial Black"><em><i><font color="navy"
size="2"><span style="color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">"Luck is the residue of
design."</span></font></i></em><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="color:
navy; font-size: 10pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>--
Branch Rickey</span></font></font><font color="navy" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size:
10pt;"></span></font></font></div> </font></div> </div> <div
style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">
<hr tabindex="-1"> <div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF470054"><font
color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Zahid Jamil [<a
href="mailto:zahid@xxxxxxxxx";>zahid@xxxxxxxxx</a>]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
October 21, 2010 1:04 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Sarah B Deutsch; <a
href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>; Phil Corwin;
'<a href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>'; Philip Sheppard;
BC Secretariat<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position
on EstablishingStandard Contract for UDRP Providers<br> </font><br> </div>
<div></div> <div>Though late just wanted to support the view that a contract
should not be mandatory and accreditation or some other method of
accountability be adopted.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <div><br> Sincerely,<br>
<br> Zahid Jamil<br> Barrister-at-law<br> Jamil & Jamil<br>
Barristers-at-law<br> 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe<br> Merewether Road,
Karachi. Pakistan<br> Cell: +923008238230<br> Tel: +92 21 5680760 / 5685276 /
5655025<br> Fax: +92 21 5655026<br> <a
href="http://www.jamilandjamil.com";>www.jamilandjamil.com</a><br> <br> <br> ***
This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from Mobilink
***</div> <hr> <div><b>From: </b>"Deutsch, Sarah B" <<a
href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx";>sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>>
</div> <div><b>Sender: </b><a
href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a> </div>
<div><b>Date: </b>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:41:13 -0400</div> <div><b>To: </b>'Phil
Corwin'<<a
href="mailto:pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>>;
'<a href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>'<<a
href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>>; '<a
href="mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx";>philip.sheppard@xxxxxx</a>'<<a
href="mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx";>philip.sheppard@xxxxxx</a>>; '<a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>'<<a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>></div>
<div><b>Subject: </b>RE: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on
Establishing Standard Contract for UDRP Providers</div> <div><br> </div> <div
dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2"></font> </div> <div><span class="774383213-20102010"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Great -- thanks.
</font></span></div> <div><span class="774383213-20102010"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span
class="774383213-20102010"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Phil -I
would also urge removal of the language in your text calling for ICANN to
sanction dispute providers. Let's focus on uniform rules governing their
qualifications and responsibilities. The contract/sanctions model
would not only run into problems with IGOs as Mike notes, but would also
undermine the whole nature of independent third party dispute resolution
providers. People use these providers exactly because they are
independent and trusted third party not affiliated with ICANN. But that's
not to say that they shouldn't be subject to high standards and uniform
qualifications. If an entity fails to meet the standards, then they
should be deaccredited.</font></span></div> <div align="left"><font
face="Arial" size="2"><br> <br> <font color="#000080">Sarah B. Deutsch <br>
Vice President & Associate General Counsel <br> Verizon Communications <br>
Phone: 703-351-3044 <br> Fax: 703-351-3670 </font><br> </font></div>
<div> </div> <br> <div dir="ltr" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"
lang="en-us"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Phil
Corwin [<a
href="mailto:pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>]
<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:31 AM<br> <b>To:</b> '<a
href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>'; Deutsch, Sarah B; '<a
href="mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx";>philip.sheppard@xxxxxx</a>'; '<a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>'<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re:
[bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on Establishing Standard Contract for
UDRP Providers<br> </font><br> </div> <div></div> <font style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Consensus
understood/I'm working on a revised draft and will circulate it later today.
<br> Philip S. Corwin <br> Partner, Butera & Andrews <br> 1301 Pennsylvania
Ave., NW <br> Suite 500 <br> Washington, DC 20004 <br> 202-347-6875/Office <br>
202-255-6172/Cell <br> <br> "Luck is the residue of design." <br> -- Branch
Rickey</font><br> <br> <div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium;
border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223)
-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <font
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>:
Michael D. Palage [<a
href="mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx</a>] <br>
<b>Sent</b>: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 09:28 AM<br> <b>To</b>: 'Deutsch,
Sarah B' <<a
href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx";>sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>>;
'Philip Sheppard' <<a
href="mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx";>philip.sheppard@xxxxxx</a>>; Phil
Corwin; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a> <<a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>> <br> <b>Subject</b>:
RE: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on Establishing Standard Contract
for UDRP Providers <br> </font> <br> </div> <div class="WordSection1">
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">Sarah,</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">I share your concerns. In fact this type of rigid “contract”
language is what stalled individual ccTLD participation within the ICANN
process for so long. It was only after ICANN adopted an accountability
framework document that more participation/recognition occurred.</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span>
</div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">I think
Phil’s concerns can be address without the hard coded “contract” language.
Having dealt with IGOs over the past several years I can tell you that getting
them to sign “contracts” can be a complicated process. Therefore making WIPO
sign a UDRP provider contract is likely to run into some complications that
would likely draw the support/empathy of the GAC. Do we really want to pick
that fight? </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">Having dealt with WIPO during the past 11 years ago (remember that first
UDRP meeting at Georgetown Sarah/Marilyn – seems almost like yesterday) I think
as a trustee of this process WIPO would be in agreement about ensuring some
uniformity of the rules. So let’s figure how to make them part of the
solution, instead of making them part of the problem.</span></div> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span>
</div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Just my two
cents.</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">Best regards,</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </div> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Michael
</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div> <div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium;
border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223)
-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> <a
href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a> [<a
href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Deutsch, Sarah B<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 20, 2010
8:50 AM<br> <b>To:</b> 'Philip Sheppard'; 'Phil Corwin'; <a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE:
[bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on Establishing Standard Contract for
UDRP Providers</span></div> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color:
blue; font-size: 10pt;">My concern is that by includng the words "contract"
this will be misread by ICANN as a green light to go forward with regulation
having nothing to do with these parties' qualifications even if the idea
of an "other mechanism" is also included as an option. </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color:
blue; font-size: 10pt;">The following language addresses my concern but keeps
the same meaning Phil originally intended:</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color:
black;">The Business Constituency (BC) cannot support approval of this or any
other UDRP accreditation application <u>at this time</u> on the grounds that no
new UDRP providers should be accredited until ICANN implements with
all accredited providers a standard mechanism for establishing
uniform rules and procedures and flexible means of delineating and enforcing
arbitration provider responsibilities.</span></div> <div> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">In the rest of the
document, I'd recommend replacing "contact" with "standard mechanism."
</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><br>
<span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size:
10pt;">Thanks,</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><br> <span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Sarah</span></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><br> <br> <span style="font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif'; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Sarah B. Deutsch <br> Vice
President & Associate General Counsel <br> Verizon Communications <br>
Phone: 703-351-3044 <br> Fax: 703-351-3670 </span></div> <div> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> <div style="font-size:12pt;text-align: center;"
class="MsoNormal" align="center"> <hr width="100%" align="center" size="2">
</div> <div style="font-size:12pt;margin-bottom: 12pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';
font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> Philip Sheppard [<a
href="mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx";>mailto:philip.sheppard@xxxxxx</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:29 AM<br> <b>To:</b> 'Phil Corwin';
Deutsch, Sarah B; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [bc-gnso] RE: Revised Draft BC Position on Establishing
Standard Contract for UDRP Providers</span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
font-size: 10pt;">I share Sarah's concern but agree with Phil that our current
language is flexible:</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div
style="font-size:12pt;text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">The Business Constituency (BC)
cannot support approval of this or any other UDRP accreditation application
<u>at this time</u> on the grounds that no new UDRP providers should be
accredited until ICANN implements a standard contract with all accredited
providers <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">or develops
some other mechanism </span></strong>for establishing uniform rules and
procedures and flexible means of delineating and enforcing arbitration provider
responsibilities. (emphasis added)<br> <br> Philip</span></div> <div
style="font-size:12pt;text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div>
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