RE: [bc-gnso] Closed Generic TLDs: a straw poll of BC member views

["Deutsch, Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'd support proactively resolving the closed generic gTLD concerns before 
launch.  We know that many who have applied to operate closed registries will 
do so responsibility but others inevitably will not.

I had a question about the public interest exemption.  I understand the 
exemption would only apply to registries who seek to register domain names for 
their own uses in  their awarded closed spaces.  But what  about potential 
anti-competitive uses by registries who will also only allow "partners" or 
unrelated "affiliates" to register in those spaces and preclude others?   How 
does this issue get resolved?

I see no issue with Outcome #3 permitting dot brands to get an exemption.

Sarah




From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Mike Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Andy Abrams
Cc: Steve DelBianco; bc - GNSO list
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] Closed Generic TLDs: a straw poll of BC member views

There is here, as in some other ICANN issue areas, the question of whether 
remedies for anti-competitive monopoly behavior should be applied prospectively 
or retroactively.

One of the reasons for ICANN's creation was to give the little guy in Internet 
DNS commerce a fairer shake than would be the case with leaving the 
issue/question to the legal system.  Thus, UDRP, etc.

In the present instance, we are all mentally constructing models of registry 
behavior on closed names that would be found not only unfair, but illegal.

The hard sell would be, "Hey, leave that to DOJ/FTC, that's what they are for. "

A more ICANN-centric view might be, "OMG, that's ten years of misery and $$$, 
especially when neither the legal system nor we have any facts to back up our 
opinions.  Let's not go there, let's increase the administrative, i.e., 
Guidebook, a priori restraint on bad behavior."


- Mike





On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Andy Abrams wrote:


Dear Steve,

Thank you very much for your work on this issue.  I think we had a productive 
discussion at last week's BC meeting, and we look forward to further dialogue 
leading up to Beijing.  As we discussed last week, from Google's perspective, 
we respectfully believe it is inappropriate to address this issue with the 
broad brush stroke of "closed generics" given the multitude of different 
business models, industries and applicants involved as well as the numerous 
ways to interpret this phrase.  Some of these business models represent the 
very type of innovation that was envisioned for the new gTLD program and would 
not be possible under the same "pure open" framework that has existed with 
every TLD to date.  This does not mean that we believe all potentially affected 
applications are equally meritorious or should be given a free pass - far from 
it, we strongly believe in the existing ICANN process of public objections and 
GAC Advice, and are taking concerns regarding our own particular applications 
into very careful consideration.

However, we believe that the broader issue ultimately comes down to fairness. 
We have heard from individuals that were in the room that this issue was in 
fact directly discussed, and an explicit determination was made to allow closed 
registries for non-brand terms.  Based on our calls with other companies and BC 
members, we also know that a large number of businesses have spent the last 
year preparing various single-registrant or restricted business models in 
reliance on the undisputed fact that the Guidebook currently allows for such 
practices.

Given this context, I respectfully have some concerns with the formulation of 
the straw poll.  To us, the issue of the ROCC exemption versus the 1(b) 
"reasonably necessary" distinction are a mere subset of the threshold issue of 
(1) Change the Guidebook or (2) Don't Change the Guidebook.  ICANN should 
eventually address the former question as it works through the details of 
registry operation, but from the perspective of business users, I suspect that 
the details of whether a single registrant must allow multiple registrars to 
sell domains to itself are less relevant than the larger policy issue.  For our 
part, we are still agnostic on this and will continue to explore it further - 
we do believe that there is a reasonable argument in favor of either Outcome #1 
or #2 of the straw poll (but nothing in the Guidebook to support #3, as through 
the ROCC lens there is no reasonable way to distinguish different "types" of 
closed registries in the Guidebook).  We also respectfully object to the 
characterization of Outcome #1 as "anything goes," (though I do like that as 
the new title of the public forum!)

For these reasons, perhaps it makes sense to restructure the poll in a manner 
which reflects the binary discussions we have had in the BC thus far?  To the 
extent people do have strong feelings about Outcome 1 v. 2, perhaps that can be 
a subcategory of the status quo position?  I appreciate your consideration.

Best,

Andy


On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Steve DelBianco 
<sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
BC Members:

ICANN just opened a public comment period 
(link<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/closed-generic-05feb13-en.htm>)
 asking whether to classify certain TLD applications as "closed generic", and 
to deter me "circumstances under which a particular TLD operator should be 
permitted to adopt open or closed registration policies."

As written, this comment solicitation steers away from the question of whether 
a registry can own all the domain names in a TLD.  Instead, ICANN is asking 
whether we need new policies regarding who may register a domain, as is 
apparent from this "background" statement under the public comment:

"it should be clarified that the Code of Conduct refers to registry-registrar 
interactions, rather than eligibility for registering names in the TLD. Rather 
than the Code of Conduct, the true issue of concern being expressed appears to 
be that in certain applications, the proposed registration policies are deemed 
inappropriate by some parties."

That points us to the Registry Code of Conduct (attached), which was created 
partly in response to BC concerns about allowing vertical integration of 
registries and registrars.  Here's the section most relevant to this discussion:

1. In connection with the operation of the registry for the TLD, Registry 
Operator will not, and will not allow any parent, subsidiary, Affiliate, 
subcontractor or other related entity, to the extent such party is engaged in 
the provision of Registry Services with respect to the TLD to:

b. register domain names in its own right, except for names registered through 
an ICANN accredited registrar that are reasonably necessary for the management, 
operations and purpose of the TLD

Reasonable people interpret 1b differently.  Does 1b prohibit a registry from 
owning names in its own TLD, except for limited circumstances?   Or does 1b 
allow a registry to own any and all names that suit the purpose of their TLD?

ICANN legal may further clarify its interpretation of 1b, but I believe they 
see 1b as permitting  a "closed generic" TLD to own all its own names.

Whatever the thoughts of ICANN legal, we have an opportunity to comment on what 
should be the interpretation and implications for closed generic TLDs.

As we discussed last Tuesday, the BC may not arrive at a consensus or majority 
view, in which case we could submit just background information.

My goal with this email is to to conduct a "straw" poll of BC members to assess 
convergence around a desired policy outcome that would form the basis of a BC 
Comment on closed generics.

First, I compiled a 3-page history on the BC's support for closed TLDs, 
starting in 2007 with sponsored TLDs and then for dot-brand TLDs starting in 
2009. (See attached)   BC members with long memories may want to improve on 
that history, but its only here for background so let's not get too wrapped-up 
in that.

So, here are the 3 potential outcomes we proposed on the BC call last week.  
Please reply with your views and preferences by 21-Feb-2013 and we'll see 
whether there's enough support to do a BC position on this before ICANN's 
deadline of 7-March.

Outcome #1:  Anything Goes.   The registry Code of Conduct clearly allows a TLD 
operator to have control over who registers domains in their TLD, and the 
operator can own all the domains if they wish.   Under this outcome, a registry 
could own all the domains in their TLD without having to ask ICANN for an 
exemption from the Code of Conduct.

Outcome #2:  Exemption Required. The registry Code of Conduct prohibits a TLD 
operator from registering names in its own TLD, except for names reasonably 
necessary for operating the TLD.   Under this outcome, the 1b "except for" does 
not swallow the rule and thereby allow control of all domains in the TLD.   A 
registry that wants to own all the domains in its TLD can still do so, however, 
if it obtains an exemption from the Code of Conduct, as provided in Para 6 of 
the Code:

6. Registry Operator may request an exemption to this Code of Conduct, and such 
exemption may be granted by ICANN in ICANN's reasonable discretion, if Registry 
Operator demonstrates to ICANN's reasonable satisfaction that (i) all domain 
name registrations in the TLD are registered to, and maintained by, Registry 
Operator for its own exclusive use, (ii) Registry Operator does not sell, 
distribute or transfer control or use of any registrations in the TLD to any 
third party that is not an Affiliate of Registry Operator, and (iii) 
application of this Code of Conduct to the TLD is not necessary to protect the 
public interest.

All that remains is for ICANN to develop & publish the process and criteria 
they will use to determine whether giving an applicant this exemption is "in 
the public interest" as required by para 6.    Presumably, the public interest 
would include considerations of consumer protect, freedom of expression, 
competition, innovation, and relevant pledges made by ICANN in the 2009 
Affirmation of Commitments.





Outcome #3. Only dot-brands may get an exemption.  Only dot-Brands should get 
the Code of Conduct Exemption. That would allow .Hilton, .Apple, .Google to 
pursue the exemption, and they should have no trouble getting it.  But Goodyear 
would not be eligible for an exemption that allow it to own all names in .tires 
TLD, for example.



If this straw poll reveals no significant support for any of the above, the BC 
would not draft a position on this public comment period.  Instead, the BC 
might submit just background information and analysis, and perhaps a Reply 
comment later on.

--
Steve DelBianco
Executive Director
NetChoice
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