Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs

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Mike:

We appreciate your pov. However, there are many of us in this constituency that 
have business interests broader than the domain industry. In my discussions 
with these non-ICANNers, they have voiced grave concerns and want assurances 
similar to those put forward by Sarah and Laura in the latest draft. Do others 
gave perspective here?


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We went through exercise of trying to define categories like this, in 2006.  
Then in the Vertical Integration WG.  Then again recently in the IPC.  It can't 
be done, as far as I know.
  
The GAC didn't bother to provide a definition either.  Making any response 
problematic as we don't really know what we are responding to.  

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
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From: Laura Covington [mailto:lhc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
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Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on 
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Hey, Mike, 

I'm totally open to considering other definitions/terminology for "closed 
generics" if you have ideas to propose.  

  

As to the separate issue of responding to the GAC's advice, participants on the 
call the other day seemed interested in including - or at least considering - 
language on closed generics rather than being silent.  It seems clear - and 
understandable - what your point of view is.  Anybody else? 



  

Laura

  

  

Laura Covington

VP, Intellectual Property Policy

Yahoo! Inc.

lhc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

408.349.5187

  

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Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on 
safeguards for new gTLDs

  


It seems that every dictionary word is a 'pre-existing trademark' at least 
insofar as it is registered as such somewhere (e.g. Benelux, in advance of the 
EU land rush).  My examples are all registered at the USPTO.  Any of those 
registrations could be purchased or even be previously registered by any 
so-called 'closed generic' TLD applicant.
 
Why is it legitimate for Apple to operate .apple to the exclusion of everyone 
else in the world that may have a legitimate use for a .apple domain name?  
(Maybe better examples are other new TLD applicants Abbott, Active, 
AFamilyCompany, Amazon, AmericanFamily.  and the list goes on past Apple..) 
 Yet it would not be legitimate for Weather.com to operate .weather that way?
 

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087
http://rodenbaugh.com
 


From: Laura Covington [mailto:lhc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
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Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on 
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Sticking with the definition piece first, doesn't second bullet cover your 
question?  Pre-existing trademark? 

 

 

 



Laura Covington

VP, Intellectual Property Policy

Yahoo! Inc.

lhc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

408.349.5187

 

From: Mike Rodenbaugh <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on 
safeguards for new gTLDs

 




Hi Laura,

 

Then what about all the trademarks that exist for 'generic words'.  Not just 
Apple, but also Sex, Drugs and even Rock 'n Roll (all registered at the USPTO)?

 

Beyond that, what about the broader notion that closed generic business models 
are more in the public interest than open copycat business models?  The BC is 
on record with the position that restricted registries are preferred over open 
registries, because abuse and consumer harm are far less likely.

 

Best,

Mike

 




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From: Laura Covington <lhc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on 
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I don't know of any official definition of a closed generic TLD, but perhaps a 
starting place would be to say that it is a TLD that:

 
* Consists of a generic term/phrase which 
* Is not intended to represent a pre-existing trademark, and
* The registry operator does not intend to sell/grant/give second level domains 
to the (general?) public 


 



Laura Covington

VP, Intellectual Property Policy

Yahoo! Inc.

lhc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

408.349.5187

 

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Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:49 AM
To: "Deutsch, Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Elisa Cooper <Elisa.Cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Steve DelBianco 
<sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on 
safeguards for new gTLDs

 


Thanks Sarah, J. Scott and Laura for this work. 

 

I am wondering if there is a clear definition of what constitutes a closed 
generic TLD somewhere?

 

Failing that, what is to stop the criteria suggested in this text being imposed 
on, say, a brand that has a term resembling a generic term as its brand name 
and that would understandably like to operate it for its own exclusive use?

 

Thanks,

 



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Le 22 mai 2013 à 22:58, "Deutsch, Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx> a 
écrit :







All,


To follow up on our BC call this morning,  we discussed why the existing draft 
asking ICANN to develop a non-specific public policy exemption in the Registry 
Code of Conduct for closed generics was not a good idea.  Steve had encouraged 
me, J. Scott Evans and Laura Covington from Yahoo to put pen to paper and 
propose specific ideas (building on the Australia's earlier GAC recommendations 
on closed generics) rather than for the BC to remain silent on this issue. 

 

Our proposed language is attached for Members' consideration.

 


Sarah

 

 


Sarah B. Deutsch 
Vice President & Deputy General Counsel 
Verizon Communications 
Phone: 703-351-3044 
Fax: 703-351-3670

 

 



From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Elisa Cooper
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:34 PM
To: Steve DelBianco
Cc: bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards 
for new gTLDs

 

Steve,

 

Thank you so much for all of your work on this.

 

Please find attached my edits to Sarah's draft.

 

As previously stated, I will recuse myself from comments related to Closed 
Generics. That said, I am concerned that the proposed comments in this draft 
may be at odds with our earlier 
position:http://www.bizconst.org/Positions-Statements/BC%20Comment%20on%20Closed%20Generic%20TLDs.pdf.

 

Thank you again.

 


Best,

Elisa

 

Elisa Cooper

Director of Product Marketing

MarkMonitor

 

Elisa Cooper

Chair

ICANN Business Constituency

 

208 389-5779 PH

 



From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Deutsch, Sarah B
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Steve DelBianco; bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards 
for new gTLDs

 

Steve, All,


Thanks for your work on this draft. My comments are attached.   One big issue I 
would flag for members is the paragraph dealing with closed generics.   Various 
BC members have grave concerns about certain closed generics and formal 
objections have been filed.  The focus on applying for an exemption in the 
Final Guidebook does not fix these fundamental concerns for the reasons 
outlined in the attached.

 

I'd suggest that the BC either (a) refrain from taking a position on the closed 
generic issue altogether or (b) support the GAC's concerns about closed 
generics and the need to show that an award of an exclusive right in a generic 
term is in the larger public interest.   

 

Sarah

 



From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve DelBianco
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:40 PM
To: bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for 
new gTLDs

 


ICANN's new gTLD Board Committee has requested public comment on how it should 
address GAC advice to establish safeguards for categories of new gTLDs. (link 
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/gac-safeguard-advice-23apr13-en.htm>
 )




 


The BC has have held 3 conference calls on this topic (see minutes and 
transcripts on the BC Wiki <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsobc/Home> ). 
 Several BC members provided input, including text from Ron Andruff, Marilyn 
Cade, and Andrew Mack.  


 


Comment period closes 4-Jun.   That allows our regular 14-day review and 
approval period.  So, please REPLY ALL with your suggested edits and comments 
regarding this draft, before 29-May-2013.


 



Steve DelBianco


Vice chair for policy coordination


Business Constituency


 



 


 
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