RE: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report

["Manal Ismail" <manal@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All ..
 
Apologies for not sending my comments, to the wording of Principle E, earlier 
.. I have sent it to the GAC list and have just been notified that I never 
shared it on the ccNSO list ..
Please find below ..
 
--Manal
 
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From: gac-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Manal Ismail
Sent: Mon 26/05/2008 10:41 AM
To: GACList
Subject: RE: [ccnso-idncctld] Note on Point E



Thanks Janis ..

 

Dear Colleagues ..

 

I'm in favour of the current wording of Point E of the draft interim report, 
stating that:

The proposed string and delegation request should be non-contentious within the 
territory

and still this won't exclude other requirements such as technical requirements, 
security and stability requirements, IDN guidelines, ... etc 

 

I don't agree to the alternative wording of Point E, stating:

The proposed string and delegation request should be non-contentious

I think this wording makes the requirement vague and intangible .. In fact it 
makes the proposed string and delegation request, even if non-contentious 
within a specific territory, subject to objections from anyone around the 
globe, which contradicts with the GAC principles  ..

This has to do again with the objection procedure which I don't see needed, 
specifically within a fast track approach

 

I think submissions within the fast track, following the fast track 
requirements, would be straight forward choices of country names else they 
won't fit within the fast track .. Can simple choices of country names cause 
any problems (apart from technical problems) ?  I see 2 cases here, I'm sure 
this doesn't exhaustively cover all probabilities but at least those are 
specific cases that were raised during the discussions:

 

1.      either the selected string, directly relating to the country name, is 
common in names of more than one country .. and here I don't think ICANN should 
be the entity deciding on such an issue .. ICANN, rightly, does not get 
involved in problems within a territory and definitely should not get involved 
in such problems between countries .. Additionally, by definition such a case, 
if not resolved between the concerned counties, won't fit within the fast track 
.. 
2.      
3.      or the selected string, directly relating to the country name, is a 
generic name .. and this should be accepted if the words comprising the name of 
the country are all generic and do not include a 'specific' word that can 
relate to the country name i.e. any selection would still be a generic word .. 

On the other hand I personally don't mind the existence of a linguistic 
committee from the point of string interpretation and confirmation and not 
choice evaluation .. meaning that I can see the need for a few experts who 
should be able to help or able to seek help simply to interpret what's being 
submitted to the ICANN (the string, it's meaning, it's language, ....) .. 

 

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From: owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx on behalf of Edmon Chung
Sent: Sat 07/06/2008 10:22 AM
To: ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: 
[ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report



The wording of "handling comments" is not my suggestion but a result of the 
discussion on this list.

 

I will send some suggested wording for Principle E and other edits.

 

In the other way round, I am sure those who think there is no contention 
regarding the principle would also post to the list.

 

Edmon

 

 

 

From: owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Chris Disspain
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:32 AM
To: 'Edmon Chung'; ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: 
[ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report

 

Greetings Edmon,

 

Thank you for your input. Doubtless those that agree with your points will post 
to the list. I have put my comments below.

 

Meanwhile may I respectfully request, given that you have consistently been 
suggesting an objection procedure or now 'handling comments', that you provide 
the WG with your suggested wording for the report so that we may comment on it.

 

Regards, 

 

Chris Disspain

CEO - auDA 

Australia's Domain Name Administrator

ceo@xxxxxxxxxxx

www.auda.org.au <http://www.auda.org.au/> 

 

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From: owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Edmon Chung
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 17:40
To: ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ccnso-idncctld] RE: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: 
[ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report

 

In addition to Jian's note, I would like to reiterate, as described in the 
thread subsequent to our last teleconference that it is inappropriate to call 
these suggestions "minority report" because there is no evidence showing any 
majority consensus on the matter.

[Chris Disspain] I disagree. I believe that there is consensus but let us see 
who posts in favour of your suggestions.

 

Also, the characterization that " the string should be non-contentious both 
within and outside the territory and consequently an objection procedure is 
necessary" seems incorrect according to the discussion.

 

1. The two should be decoupled.  They are related but not necessarily a 
consequence of each other.

2. In a previous thread on the mailing list there seems to be an emerging 
consensus that characterization of an "objection procedure" is not conducive to 
the discussion, rather that we should use wording such as "handling of 
comments".

[Chris Disspain] I have no problem with you changing the wording of what you 
are suggesting. 

 

At the very least, I feel that these should be rectified to better reflect the 
discussions we had.  In summary:

 

A. Instead of describing the point as "minority report" it should be described 
as "alternative opinions"

[Chris Disspain] I believe it is a minority position and the charter refers to 
the same label however, I have no problem in changing the words so long as we 
are clear who on the WG subscribes to the 'alternative options'.

B. That we should decouple the 2 distinct concepts presented in the "NOTE" in 
Principle E

C. That we start to use "handling of comments" rather than "objection procedure"

 

Overall, I feel that the "Final Report" should have more extensive discussion 
as well as a simple proposed mechanism.  The draft seems to be lacking 
significantly in "reporting" the deliberations of the group.  While I agree 
that the proposed mechanism should be simple, the "report" of our deliberations 
should not be omitted.

[Chris Disspain] You are correct. It is not the purpose of this report to 
report on how we came to make recommendations. The purpose of the report is to 
recommend a methodology to the Board if we are able. Those interested in our 
'deliberations' are welcome to listen to the recordings.

 

More specifically, I believe we need to provide rationale on how we came to 
these conclusions.

[Chris Disspain] Well, I think the report actually does that. However, if you 
would like to suggest something please feel free to do so.

 

Edmon

 

 

 

From: owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of zhangjian
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:45 AM
To: 'Chris Disspain'; 'Bart Boswinkel'; ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final 
Report

 

Chris:

Thanks for your quick response.

Regards

Jian

 

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???: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
????: 2008?6?6? 11:41
???: 'zhangjian'; 'Bart Boswinkel'; ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
??: RE: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report

 

Jian,

 

I have asked Bart to draft a response to this which we will send out asap over 
the weekend. There are several issues that you raise which we will need to 
responds to.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris Disspain

CEO - auDA 

Australia's Domain Name Administrator

ceo@xxxxxxxxxxx

www.auda.org.au <http://www.auda.org.au/> 

 

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From: owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of zhangjian
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 13:24
To: 'Bart Boswinkel'; ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ccnso-idncctld] ??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report

 

Dear all:

 

As I mentioned in the last call, before we submit the draft for public review, 
there is an issue has to be addressed.

 

We all agree that IDN is a complicated issue. In all previous discussion, there 
is consensus that when ccTLD represented in one's native language, there would 
be many potential complications with the meaning of the string that represent 
(that was one of the major reasons for setting up fast-track process). We can 
foresee that one string selected by one territory may cause uncomfortableness 
of another territory which is using the same language. Further, there is no 
definition of the term "territory" in the current draft, and the different 
understanding of the term from related parties may cause future disputes over 
an application. And that, may just jeopardize the effectiveness of the 
fast-track. To ensure the fast-track to be truly "fast", I'd propose we 
substitute the term "territory" with "country/region" based on the following 
reason:

The proposed string is meaningful, which means along side with the string to be 
a meaningful representation of the "territory" in one's native language, the 
string may contain cultural and political connotations. This is one important 
characteristic of IDN, compare to the ASCII short code representation of an 
"area". I think the term "country/region" will work better to avoid such 
complications than "territory".

Hence, in order to avoid any potential dispute and to confine Fast Track to a 
limited and non-contentious scope, this is advisable that we use the term 
"country/region" as a desirable wording instead of "territory". Or at least, we 
should note in the draft that consensus should be reached not only "within 
territory", but also "among territories if necessary".

 

Best regards

Jian Zhang

 

 

 

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???: owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx] ?? 
Bart Boswinkel
????: 2008?6?4? 21:05
???: ccnso-idncctld@xxxxxxxxx
??: [ccnso-idncctld] Draft Final Report

 

Dear All,
Included is the first version of the draft Final Report. To be discussed at the 
next call. The next IDNC WG call is scheduled for Wednesday 11 June 2008, at 
noon (12 am) UTC. 

Those members of the IDNC WG who think that Principle E should be re-worded 
and/or there should be an objection procedure, please provide wording to be 
inserted. In the draft is a section for minority views. It would be most 
helpful if the wording could be provided two day in advance of the next IDNC WG 
call.


The intention is to post the draft Final Report on the ICANN Website by 13 June 
2008.

Kind regards,
Bart