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RE: Fw: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for today
- To: gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx
- Subject: RE: Fw: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for today
- From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:12:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<DIV>Margie and all sgb members,</DIV>
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<DIV> What is listed is all the whois record for bankofamerica.com.
Their abuse</DIV>
<DIV>generic eMail address which is basically useless is <A
href="mailto:abuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>abuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A></DIV>
<DIV>which I gleened with some menuvering around on their site. Also
their</DIV>
<DIV>"contact us" is a web mail interface which is also nearly useless and
requires</DIV>
<DIV>in required fields, for you to violate your own privacy, or this web mail
interface</DIV>
<DIV>will not send your message. That's kind of odd if as Palmer says
bankofamerica</DIV>
<DIV>is truely interested in preventing and combating fraud.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As tucows is their registrar, and the results from my query was from</DIV>
<DIV>internic.net whois, perhaps contacting either tucows or some other
useful</DIV>
<DIV>but unknown bankofamerica.com email address.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Margie Milam
<MARGIE.MILAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 25, 2007 10:29 AM <BR>To:
gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: RE: Fw: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for today
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Where is the rest of the WHOIS
information? If this is this the complete record, a lot of currently
required information is missing. The email address is missing from
this, as well as the phone number of the various contacts. It would
be very difficult to contact Bank of America or send them an email if there
were issues related to the domain name.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Margie<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
owner-gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:15 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Fw: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for
today</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Palmer and all sgb
members,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> There is no need for Dr. Dierker to supply
anything else. Below is the Whois<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">results for this domain name. It clearly shows
all the information you need.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The perp or phisher in this instance *is* Bank of
America.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Domain Name:
BANKOFAMERICA.COM<BR> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.<BR> Whois
Server: whois.tucows.com<BR> Referral URL:
http://domainhelp.opensrs.net<BR> Name Server:
NS1.BANKOFAMERICA.COM<BR> Name Server:
NS3.BANKOFAMERICA.COM<BR> Name Server:
NS4.BANKOFAMERICA.COM<BR> Status:
clientTransferProhibited<BR> Status:
clientUpdateProhibited<BR> Updated Date:
22-jan-2007<BR> Creation Date: 28-dec-1998<BR>
Expiration Date: 28-dec-2010<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Palmer Hamilton
<BR><PALMERHAMILTON@xxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: May 24, 2007 5:36 PM <BR>To:
Gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Fw: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for today
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Palmer Hamilton<BR>To: 'hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx'
<hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Thu May 24 10:07:01 2007<BR>Subject:
Re: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for today<BR><BR>Eric,<BR><BR>I realize that Phillip
is appropriately concerned that the email list not be used to resolve personal
situations, but in this instance I think we need to get to the bottom of
it. I think it proves precisely my point about the need for WHOIS
data.<BR><BR>You were phished, and B of A wants the site taken down. If
you will supply the underlying URL it will expediate B of A's ability to get
the site taken down. <BR><BR>B of A says with WHOIS data that it can get a
site down in roughly a day and a half. If this data is taken away,
customers will be vulnerable to long delays.<BR><BR>As I mentioned to you,
sopisticated consumers may not be fooled. You are a case in point.
Unfortunately, many consumers lack your sopistication and phishing of this sort
works all too often.<BR><BR>Thus, I hope Phillip will forgive me for addressing
this very specific case, but it proves my general policy point. Banks
need access to protect consumers.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>To: Palmer
Hamilton; dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx <gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Thu May 24
08:49:00 2007<BR>Subject: Re: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for today<BR><BR>Here is
the data from a spam I received from whom it says. I have no connection
with this institution.<BR> <<A
href="http://us.f529.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=3066_6873947_66315_1941_3681_0_55456_10570_4241701953&Idx=33&YY=31291&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=1&view=a&head=b&box=Inbox#attachments";
target="_BLANKãëãçåããëãà×âÂãã">http://us.f529.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=3066_6873947_66315_1941_3681_0_55456_10570_4241701953&Idx=33&YY=31291&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=1&view=a&head=b&box=Inbox#attachments</A>>
Fwd: Bank of America alert : Sign-in Error : Verify Your Account
Information<BR><BR>
"Alert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<Onlinebanking@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>Date:
Wed, 23 May 2007 06:52:18
-0600 <BR><BR>Somehow the policing is
down here for this Titan of an institution. Either this is spam from the bank
or this is an example of them not policing their own domain name.<BR><BR>In any
case it gives pause to consider allowing "banks" ready
access.<BR><BR>Eric<BR><BR><BR>Palmer Hamilton
<PalmerHamilton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:<BR><BR>
Dan,<BR> <BR>
Let me address why the consumer is at risk as well as the
bank.<BR> <BR>
First, not all risk is off loaded to the bank. There can be
circumstances where the consumer can be held
liable.<BR> <BR>
Second, in the case of identity theft, the consumer certainly experiences the
serious and often devastating adverse consequences. Anyone who has been
the victim of ID theft can easily speak to this. It is fine for us to
talk about these issues in the abstract, but talk to a victim of ID theft, and
he or she will likely not be too impressed some of the arguments we have been
hearing.<BR> <BR>
So, yes, banks do have an interest in limiiting their exposure, but that
interest coincides with the interest of the consumer. And, yes, there are
unfortunately circumstances where life savings can be wiped out. This
isn't rhetoric. This is unfortunate
reality.<BR> <BR>
I would submit that good public policy requires a careful balancing of
interests. When this is done, I think it is clear that a construct exists
that will protect the consumer and protect the privacy concerns being
expressed. I fear that our subgroup does not seem to be engaged in this
serious work. Instead, we seem to be holding fast to positions without
exploring creative constructs that protect multiple
interests.<BR> <BR>
To totally ignore the risk to the consumer, it seems to me, in order to uphold
the theoretical, is neither wise nor
justifiable.<BR> <BR> <BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR> From:
owner-gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx
<owner-gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx><BR>
To: gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx
<gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx><BR>
Sent: Wed May 23 20:36:29 2007<BR>
Subject: Re: [gnso-acc-sgb] Report for
tomorrow<BR> <BR>
At 5:34 PM -0700 5/23/07, Hugh Dierker
wrote:<BR> <BR>
>The concept that private IP concerns are interested in the data to
protect<BR> >consumers is very
interesting and I think requires some
thought.<BR> <BR> <BR>
One should not overstate this case. For one example, as I understand
it<BR> most credit card companies
limit liability to customers if they
report<BR> false charges
promptly. (And then they will change the credit card
number,<BR>
etc.)<BR> <BR>
This off-loads risk from customer to the financial institutions
directly.<BR> Thus in those cases the
greatest damage is not to consumers but to
the<BR> financial
institutions.<BR> <BR>
This is not to discount the interests of financial institutions, as
they<BR> definitely have legitimate
interests. But for example talking
about<BR> "consumers' life savings"
rather than "financial institutions'
profit<BR> margins" has a rather
different ring to
it.<BR> <BR>
I'm all for supporting consumers' real interests in contexts where
that<BR> makes sense, but I am rather
less patient with rhetoric that holds
up<BR> consumers as proxies for the
interests of very wealthy legal
persons.<BR> <BR>
(Also: did you really mean "IP" above or "ID"? I don't see
*any*<BR> connection between
"intellectual property" interests and
consumer<BR> interests, while the
financial institution arguments are more common and
on<BR> the surface more
plausible.)<BR> <BR>
-----<BR> <BR>
One other point, with regard to access
types:<BR> <BR>
I personally don't see any reason that anyone, even LEAs, would ever
need<BR> "bulk access" to Whois data
(which I interpret as the ability to download
a<BR> registrar's entire Whois
database in a single integrated lump -- this
would<BR> be Type 3 access according
to <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City>'s definition, if I
understand<BR>
correctly).<BR> <BR>
Why would anyone ever need more than ongoing query access (as long
as<BR> queries can sometimes entail
multiple domains, such as "all domains for
a<BR> particular
registrant")?<BR> <BR>
I would suggest that there may be no compelling case that warrants
true<BR> bulk access to Whois
data.<BR> <BR>
Dan<BR> <BR>
PS -- I believe <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City> is going to revise the interim SGB
report, so until<BR> we receive that
I will endeavor to refrain from a whole lot of
further<BR> comment. I think it
would be useful for us to proceed as much as
possible<BR> from the outcome of our
call
today.<BR> <BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for
INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the
law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit
should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the
accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P;
the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less
than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than
PL."<BR><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United
States</st1:place></st1:country-region> v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169
[2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Eng.</st1:place></st1:country-region> INEG. INC.<BR><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ABA</st1:place></st1:City> member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Registered Email
addr with the USPS Contact Number:
214-244-4827<BR><BR></P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=black><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for
INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the
law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit
should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the
accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P;
the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less
than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States
v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Registered Email
addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827<BR><!--
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