[gnso-dow123] Whois task force 123 draft notes 29 March 2005
[To: gnso-DOW123[at]gnso.icann.org] Please find the draft minutes of the Whois task force 123 teleconference held on 29 March 2005. Please let me know if you would like any changes made. Thank you very much. Kind regards, Glen -- Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat - ICANN gnso.secretariat[at]gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org <!--#set var="bartitle" value="WHOIS Task Forces 1 2 3 teleconference minutes"--> <!--#set var="pagetitle" value="WHOIS Task Force 1 2 3 teleconference minutes"--> <!--#set var="pagedate" value="29 March 2005" value=""--> <!--#set var="bgcell" value="#ffffff"--> <!--#include virtual="/header.shtml"--> <!--#exec cmd="/usr/bin/perl /etc/gnso/menu.pl 'WHOIS Task Force 1 2 3 teleconference minutes'"--> <h4 align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>WHOIS Task Forces 1 2 3<br> <br> 29 March 2005 - Minutes</b></font></h4> <p><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">ATTENDEES:<br> </font></b><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">GNSO Constituency representatives:<br> </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Jordyn Buchanan - Co-Chair<br> Registrars constituency - Tom Keller <br> Registrars constituency - Ross Rader <br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Internet Service and Connectivity Providers constituency - Greg Ruth</font></font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">gTLD Registries constituency - David Maher </font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Intellectual Property Interests Constituency - Steve Metalitz <br> Intellectual Property Interests Constituency - Niklas Lagergren<br> Non Commercial Users Constituency - Kathy Kleiman <br> Liaisons<br> At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) liaisons - Thomas Roessler <br> </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Ex-officio</strong><br> Bruce Tonkin GNSO Council chair <br> Suzanne Sene GAC Liaison to GNSO Council -absent </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>ICANN Staff</b>: <br> Olof Nordling - Manager of Policy Development Coordination<br> Maria Farrell Farrell - GNSO Policy Officer<br> <br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>GNSO Secretariat </b>- Glen de Saint Géry - absent <br> <br> <b>Absent:</b></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> gTLD Registries constituency: - Jeff Neuman</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Neuman</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> - </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Co-Chair </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Registrars constituency - Paul Stahura</font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Registrars constituency -</font> Tim Ruiz <br> Commercial and Business Users constituency - Marilyn Cade <br> Commercial and Business Users constituency - David Fares</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Internet Service and Connectivity Providers constituency: - Antonio </font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Harris - apologies </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Intellectual Property Interests Constituency - Jeremy Bank<br> Non Commercial Users Constituency - Milton Mueller <br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Non Commercial Users Constituency - Marc Schneiders </font> - <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">apologies </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> </font> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Internet Service and Connectivity Providers constituency - Maggie Mansourkia</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <br> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) liaisons - Wendy Seltzer</font> <br> <br> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">MP 3 Recording<br> <br> <strong>Jordyn Buchanan</strong> referring to the <strong><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-dow123/doc7dG250cuEX.doc";>DRAFT WHOIS Preliminary Task Force R eport</a> </strong>commented that the end goal of report was to satisfy requirements of policy ddevelopment process and be published for public comment. It covered the historical record of decisions made and work done but to meet the requirements of a preliminary report, it would have to include the recommendations that were made on improving notice and the impact that was highlighted by the constituency statements. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It was suggested adding an excel spread sheet a summary of George Papapavlou's report, aclu and comments <br> from annexe to task force 2 report. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Bruce Tonkin</strong> commented that the 3 task force reports drafted in 2004, provided a list of options rather than consensus recommendations. The discussions during the meeting in Kuala Lumpur indicated the need for a step by step approach. Task forces 1 and 2 produced 2 recommendations and he understood the next step was to create a mini report on<a href="http://www.gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy/whois-notification-30nov04.pdf";> recommendation 1</a>. Marie's report was most useful and combined three preliminary reports. What the task force required now was a preliminary report focusing on one of the consensus recommendations which could be put forward to the Board as was agreed on in Kuala Lumpur.</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Steve Metalitz</strong> thanked Maria for the excellent job of historical material and suggested using pages 39 – 47 dealing with the recommendation as the preliminary report. He considered that two documents were missing: the registry constituency comments and the summary of the task force 3 report and suggested the public comments be summarized. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Jordyn Buchanan</strong> suggested a capsule summary of the task force 2 appendix and the public comments, though not too much time should be spent on work from half a year ago. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Bruce Tonkin</strong> suggested calling the report a summary of the preliminary task force reports, numbering the section headings 1.1, 1.2, etc. and extracting the parts related to <a href="http://www.gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy/whois-notification-30nov04.pdf";>recommendation 1</a>, which would be the preliminary task force report for recommendation 1. <br> <br> The Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers constituency statement was still outstanding.</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Kathy Kleiman</strong> cautioned that local law research, summarized into a spreadsheet, should not be confused with the public comments The task force 2 looked at 30 countries, the type of privacy laws and participation in regional processes on Whois or in ICANN and the ccTLDs. She considered this fundamental material for the work going forward. She raised regarding the purpose of the whois and it being part of ICANN ’s mission. Milton felt that it should be deleted as it was a policy statement and there was no consensus on it. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Jordyn Buchanan</strong> agreed</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>David Maher</strong> expressed concern about what <a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-dow123/msg00128.html";>Milton Mueller </a>was trying to accomplish and thought that Whois was an essential part of security and stability of the internet. <br> "First, in the opening paragraph, please delete the sentence: "WHOIS is an essential part of ICANN's mission to promote security and stability on the Internet." That would be a policy conclusion - and one on which there is obviously no consensus, either in this TF or in the Internet community as a whole. In fact although ICANN's mission statement is referenced, one can easily see that there is no mention of WHOIS, registrant data, access to that data, or the accuracy of that data in the mission statement. "<br> <br> He commented that the problem being addressed was that Whois had developed and become totally public which it was never intended to be. He further commented that if Whois was not considered part of the system, it would be an attack on the the central registry system and the internet could not function if there were not somewhere a record of who had a domain name. From a technical standpoint the people who ran networks and root servers should know who created a domain and when and how to get in touch with them. If the concept of a central registry was being attacked then he disagreed with Milton, but if the public aspect was considered then he agreed.</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Bruce Tonkin</strong> suggested removing the sentence and directly quoting the Registrars Accreditation Agreement (RAA)</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Greg Ruth</strong> who joined the call explained that the ISP constituency statement was being tracked down. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Jordyn Buchanan</strong> stated that it would be needed for the preliminary report.</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Kathy Kleiman </strong>referred to <a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-dow123/msg00128.html";>Milton Mueller's 2nd comment,</a> <br> Second, in the paragraph on "Previous ICANN work on WHOIS" it would be helpful to add a sentence to the effect that the first whois task force made a decision to defer discussion of privacy issues. That will make it clearer why the GNSO launched a new WHOIS proceeding shortly after the conclusion of the first one. <br> <br> All agree. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>In Summary</strong><br> From the call on 22 March 2005 <br> Steve Metalitz has volunteered to produce a second draft of <a href="http://www.gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy/whois-tf-conflict-30nov04.pdf";>recommendation 2</a> following the call. <br> Will be taken up after Mar del Plata meetings.</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-dow123/docDaFQlZluQ6.doc";>Document</a> Draft WHOIS Preliminary Task Force R report is an historical document not part of the pdp.<br> A portion of to be extracted for the Preliminary report on <a href="http://www.gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy/whois-notification-30nov04.pdf";>recommendation 1</a> which will refer to the historical annex.<br> Timeline: as soon as possible after the Mar del Plata meetings <br> <br> <strong>Maria Farrell</strong> gave an update on Thomas Roessler's question about the F<A href="http://www.icann.org/correspondence/leibowitz-to-twomey-09feb05.pdf";>ebruary 9, 2005 correspondence from the Federal Trade Commission to ICANN</A></font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Jordyn Buchana</strong>n thanked everyone for their participation. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font></p> <p align="center"> </p> <p> </p> |