RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

["Seth Jacoby" <Seth.Jacoby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I disagree.  I think we should explore kiting as a subtopic in this
group. Kiting and tasting are vastly different, in regards to both
intent and outcome.  I don't think we should just write-off kiting as
just a "form" of tasting any more then we can call a transfer of
registrar a "form" of a renewal (e.g. both actions trigger a billable
event at the registry and result in a term extension, right?).  We
should explore to what extent kiting occurs as we explore this topic in
general.  It's a big piece of the puzzle.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:45 AM
To: gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

All, I would suggest the group just focus on tasting in general for
three reasons. First, it is that practice overall that is responsible
for the volume we're seeing, and most of the issues some have with it.
Second, as Mike notes, kiting is not easily quantified and it is also
just a form of tasting. Third, some view kiting as a degrogatory term
which as Jeff notes could incite unproductive discussions and the group
doesn't need or want to get sidetrackd with that, I hope.

Tim 


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
From: "Jeffrey Eckhaus" <jeckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007 8:34 am
To: "Mike Rodenbaugh" <mxr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Jay Westerdal"
<jwesterdal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Alan Greenberg"
<alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>,  <gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx>


Mike,
 
I do not want to start a flame war on email or pick on you , so is it
possible we can ask all participants to keep from discussing rumors,
hearsay, anecdotal evidence and informal discussions from this group as
I believe collecting facts is one of the core missions here
 
 
Thanks
 
 
Jeff
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:18 AM
To: Jay Westerdal; Alan Greenberg; gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
 
The press release does make a distinction between tasting and kiting,
and it is important to keep them differentiated because not all tasting
is kiting.  
 
Hopefully we will find stats to show how much of tasting is actually
kiting, but I think those stats are actually impossible because the
kiters use multiple registrar accreditations and identities to do their
work.  I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence and reporting, showing
cases of kiting have been found by Verisign informally and alleged by a
few brand owners in court.  Anyone with any info is encouraged to
provide.
 
Mike Rodenbaugh