Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] Protections Strawman - Thomas Rickert
I think we need to understand what the specific problem is in order to evaluate a specific solution for that problem. Specifically, what it is about the existing protection mechanisms that have been created that are lacking? How can we recommend specific solutions if we don't know in which ways the existing mechanisms are inadequate? We've heard general arguments about how orgs don't want to spend their resources to exercise the RPM's that have been created to protect their rights, - but that applies to every org in the world. And we've heard about the existence of rights created by treaty and national law, but that hasn't been tied back to why the existing protections don't help to protect their rights. We need to delve into specifics and into a deeper understanding of the problem we are trying to fix in order to find a responsible well considered solution. Thank you, Robin On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote: Note that I should have said ‘Haven’t the RC, IOC, and IGOs defined the problem as well as the Board and the GAC’?ChuckFrom: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-igo- ingo@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, ChuckSent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:05 AM To: Robin Gross; gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [gnso-igo-ingo] Protections Strawman - Thomas Rickert Robin,Haven’t the RC, RC, and IGOs defined the problem as well as the Board and the GAC. Of course that is from their perspective which we should expect, but I am not sure we need to spend more time defining the problem. I think our time would be better spent deciding whether think the problem as defined needs a solution and, if so, what should that solution be.ChuckFrom: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-igo- ingo@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robin GrossSent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:06 PM To: gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] Protections Strawman - Thomas RickertWe should also add to the work program a specific discussion on "what is the specific problem we are trying to solve" as others suggested on today's call.It may be that there are different understandings as to what the problem is (for example: are costs too high? is scope not broad enough? some aspect of a particular RPM inadequate?) We should be discussing the which and how and why of these issues to understand the specific problem we need to solve, and then we are in a position to address solutions that problem.Proposing solutions before identifying the problem is backwards. Seems like we would be throwing darts in the dark to not have this fundamental discussion up front.Thanks, Robin On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Robin Gross wrote:NCSG fully supports David's revision since it more accurately reflects the views expressed, and will focus our work efforts in a more logical formulation (i.e. not putting the cart before the horse). Thank you.Best, Robin On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:33 PM, David W. Maher wrote: Attached is my proposed revision of the protections straw-man. David W. Maher Senior Vice President – Law & Policy Public Interest Registry 312 375 4849 From: Berry Cobb <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:40:16 -0500To: "gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx>" <gnso- igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx>>Subject: [gnso-igo-ingo] Protections Strawman - Thomas Rickert Team,Attached is a word document for the group to respond and/or suggest changes to the protections straw-man started by Thomas. Please send your suggestions to the list and I can incorporate changes into a master document.Thank you. B Berry Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) 720.839.5735 mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> @berrycobb <IGO-INGO_strawman_v0.1[1] dwm rev 28 Nov 2012.docx> IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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