[gnso-igo-ingo] MP3 IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group - 6 March 2013

[Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

The next call for the IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) 
Working Group is scheduled on Wednesday 13 March 2013 at 1900 UTC

Please find the MP3 recording of the IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development 
Process (PDP) Working Group teleconference held on Wednesday  6 March 2013 at 
1700 UTC at:

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20130306-en.mp3

On page: 
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#feb>mar

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/


Attendees:
Lanre Ajayi - NCA
Jim Bikoff – IPC/IOC
Avri Doria – NCSG
Elizabeth Finberg - RySG
Chuck Gomes - RySG
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
Catherine Gribbin - Red Cross
Stephane Hankins - NCSG
David Heasley - IPC/IOC
Wolgang Kleinwaechter – NCSG
David Maher - RySG
Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC/IOC
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Thomas Rickert – NCA –Working group chair
Greg Shatan - IPC
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit – ISO
Jo Teng for David Roache Turner - WIPO
Mary Wong - NCUC
Guilaine Fournet - IEC

Apologies:
Mason Cole - GNSO Council vice chair - RrSG
Evan Lebovitch – ALAC
Christopher Rassi - Red Cross

ICANN Staff:
Brian Peck
Berry Cobb
Gisella Gruber


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Gisella
*************

Adobe Chat transcript for 6 March 2013:
Berry Cobb:Welcome to the 6 MAR 2013 IGO-INGO Teleconference.
  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I couldn't make it for the previous two call 
nor inform in advance
  IOC:Hi all, Kiran Malancharuvil, David Heasley and Jim Bikoff
  Julia Charvolen:Avri Doria joined the meeting
  Avri Doria:oh, this meeting does not have sound.  bummer.  guess i will dial 
in.
  Julia Charvolen:Do you want the operator to dial out to you Avri?
  Julia Charvolen:Claudia MacMaster Tmarit has joined the call
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Thank you Julia.
  Avri Doria:Hi Julia, no i dialed in, was just hoping to avoid needing to use 
two communications methods to contact one meeting.
  Julia Charvolen:Mary Wong joined the meeting
  Berry Cobb:Ecosoc list:  http://esango.un.org/paperless/reports/E2010INF4.pdf
  Berry Cobb:Ecosoc Consultative Status:  
http://esango.un.org/paperless/Web?page=static&content=intro
  Mary Wong:Thanks, Berry
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Consultative status is divided into categories.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Orgs with general consultative status number some 
140.  However, I point to this list as a starting point not an end point.
  Mary Wong:@Claudia, thanks - so the full list would be something like 3000 
organizations?
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:I agree with Greg.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Mary, the may well be the case.  You may wish to 
refer to the Berry's link to th exact number.
  Avri Doria:My SOI includes this, but I should point out that I am a member 
and volunteer staff member of one one the organizations on the ECOSOC general 
consultative list.
  Avri Doria:s/member/affiliate member/
  Berry Cobb:Not that this is official, but interesting that it is posted....  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_interest
  Avri Doria:Am I alone in being disturbed by the constant lumping of RCRC and 
IOC in the same category?  One ois about saving lives in time of way and 
disaster, and one is about sports.
  Avri Doria:s/way/war/
  IOC:I think the focus is rightly on the similarities between the legal 
positions of the two organizations rather than a subjective, and frankly 
distorted, preference for the work of one organization over the other.
  Avri Doria:i think it has to do with Global Public Interst as a criteria.  
Beyond that, the Geneva Convention is a singular background
  Avri Doria:I beleive that each of these organizations should have to stand on 
its own merits.
  Avri Doria:And beleive the objective criteria for each of them is as differnt 
as the criteria betwnee any other 2 organizations.
  Mary Wong:I've sent the draft para requested by Thomas to the list. Again, 
it's intended as simply a temporary "park" of the issue rather than a 
definitive definition.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Greg plus 1
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Alan plus 1
  Greg Shatan:I think the number of countries should be 2.
  Mary Wong:"Multiple" should be more than 2 (which is really just bilateral 
and could mean a trade agreement signed by two countries only..)
  Chuck Gomes:Agree w/ Alan that we may not avoid subjectivity in total but 
would like to minimize it.
  Mary Wong:(oops, sorry Greg!_
  wolfgang:I am sorry I have to leave the call in 5 minutes
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Agree that defining the public interest is 
difficult, but I do hope that attempts start at the word "public".  Public 
funds and public/governmental members and so forth.
  Berry Cobb:My apologies, but the Legend could not be included in the PDF....I 
will post in left pane of AC.
  Avri Doria:I think that various threshhold criteria could be defined for  
global public interest.
  Mary Wong:Application should be required.
  Avri Doria:e.g. engagement in specific activities, international scope of 
activities,  percentage of contributions used for public work as opposed to 
internal expenses, etc.
  Avri Doria:pretty much the same criteria that funders use in making funding 
recommendations.
  Avri Doria:s/funders/major institutional funders/
  Avri Doria:ICANN is gaing expereince in producing multivariate test to decide 
wither an organization meets some threshold or other.
  Avri Doria:no one knows what a PICDRP looks like yet
  Mary Wong:I'm having a memory-loss moment - does this matrix apply to both 
top and second level or just one of the two?
  Berry Cobb:I cant quantify how many applications, but several PICs submitted 
already reveal protections for IGO/INGO names.
  Berry Cobb:@Mary, page one is top level, page two is 2nd level
  Mary Wong:@Berry, thx - that's what I thought but I also thought I should 
check! :)
  Mary Wong:@Alan, that's right, and is the position of some NCUC and NCSG 
members.
  Mary Wong:+! Alan & Chuck; please keep that option by including it, at least 
as a footnote, in the matrix (pg 1).
  wolfgang:Bye
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:thank you Berry.  I hope such protections will be 
used by TLDs like .NGO, etc.
  Alan Greenberg:I am reminded that the whole concept of "objections" is  a 
very subjective process!
  Berry Cobb:For future rounds, there will also be a review conducted of the 
new gTLD program to review how well/or not well aspects of the applications 
process worked.  Hence possible opportunity to improve or add ojection 
processess.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:... if they are delegated, of course.
  Alan Greenberg:Thomas, I think the question you are asking is not the right 
one.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:And if the LRO is sufficient, it's terribly 
expensive for an INGO.
  Alan Greenberg:Claudia, the price is part of the objection process. The GAC 
and ALAC can object at $0 price
  Chuck Gomes:Thomas - they need to think about it.
  Jo Teng (for David Roache-Turner) (WIPO):we would favour keeping the reserve 
list
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Jo plus 1
  Guilaine Fournet:Same for IEC
  IOC:Thomas, we can respond in writing after the call
  Alan Greenberg:Why would organization that are offered 1st level blocking NOT 
say yes, we want it. That should not be the question that we are asking.
  Mary Wong:+1, @Alan.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:But it might stop who.health, which could highly 
confusing.
  Alan Greenberg:@Claudia, 2nd level protection might stop that, but tld  
protection woud not  stop .health
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Right.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Leads back to the discussion regarding certain TLDs 
being more potentially more appropriate for a reserved names list, if that's 
how we want to go.
  Alan Greenberg:We really should use an expression such as "a TMCH-like 
service" and not imply that it is the same.
  Alan Greenberg:Thomas, whether it is the THCM or some expansion of it or a 
new service is IMPLEMENTATION
  Alan Greenberg:If I were the TMCH suppliers, I would be rubbing my hands with 
glee. There is nothing better than add-on services added to a contract after 
the original contract is locked in.
  Alan Greenberg:I fully beleive that an integrated solution will be the final 
rsult. BUt *we* don't need to specify that.
  Guilaine Fournet:I'm leaving.  Glad that I managed to attend part of the 
meeting.
  Jo Teng (for David Roache-Turner) (WIPO):Second level protections should be 
extended to acronyms as well as full names – many IGOs are commonly known and 
referred to by their acronyms rather than their full names
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:And acronyms are not always the best known short 
name, which may well be heavily protected.
  Alan Greenberg:For Red Cross, the name is the issue, because they don't use 
RC. But I UNICEF or UNESCO *the* term that is used.
  elizabeth finberg 2:are we talking about exact matches *within a string, as 
well? e.g. www.info@xxxxxxx<mailto:www.info@xxxxxxx>?
  Mary Wong:I think the distinction made between TMCH Sunrise *2 & *3 is good.
  Alan Greenberg:@ elizabeth, no, Exact match is the entire name
  elizabeth finberg 2:Thanks, Alan
  elizabeth finberg 2:the chart uses the term "Direct Match"
  Mary Wong:@Elizabeth, good point. Should we just use either Exact Match or 
Identical Match, which is what is used elsewhere in ICANN processes?
  elizabeth finberg 2:I think that would help avoid confusion and/or ambiguity
  Greg Shatan:Agree with Alan
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Agree with Stefan.
  Alan Greenberg:My real concern is that if we omit all acronyms, people will 
wake up later in the process and we will need to go back and do it again. That 
is exactly what we are seeing in the current 1st level objections and comments. 
Issues were ignored all along and now a major furor is upon us.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Agree with Alan.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit:Jim plus 1
  Alan Greenberg:I will not be on the call next week.
  Chuck Gomes:I need to drop off for another meeting.  Thanks to all and 
especially to Thomas.
  Berry Cobb:Abuse overview.... 
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40931994
  Mary Wong:Thanks and bye!