[gnso-igo-ingo] With MP3 link/ MP3 IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group - 17 April 2013

[Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

The next call for the IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) 
Working Group is scheduled on Wednesday 24 April 2013 at 16:00 UTC.

Please find the MP3 recording of the IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development 
Process (PDP) Working Group teleconference held onWednesday 17 April 2013 at 
1700 UTC at:

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20130417-en.mp3

On page: 
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#feb>apr

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/


Attendees:
Jim Bikoff – IPC/IOC
Elizabeth Finberg - RySG
Chuck Gomes - RySG
Stephane Hankins - NCSG
David Heasley - IPC/IOC
Debra Hughes – NPOC
Wolfgang Kleinwachter – NCSG
Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC/IOC
Christopher Rassi - Red Cross
Thomas Rickert – NCA –Working group chair
Greg Shatan - NCA
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit – ISO
David Roache-Turner - WIPO
Mary Wong - NCUC
Mason Cole - GNSO Council vice chair – RrSG


Apologies:
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
David Maher - RySG
Ricardo Guilherme – RySG
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
Guilaine Fournet – (IEC)
Avri Doria - NCSG


ICANN Staff:
Berry Cobb
Brian Peck
Julia Charvolen


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Julia
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Adobe Chat transcript for 17 April 2013:
Berry Cobb:Welcome to the 17 APR 2013 IGO-INGO Protections WG Call.
  Julia Charvolen:The Adobe Connect room has audio
  Thomas Rickert:I am waiting to be let into the conf call. Sorry for this!
  Mason Cole:So am I.
  Mary Wong:Me too
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):So am I.  Was kicked out and am now waiting.
  Mary Wong:Hanging up and using AC audio now.
  Kiran Malancharuvil (IOC):I'm in now
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):Thanks
  Julia Charvolen:Debra Hughes joined the meeting
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Kicked off the line a second time.  Bad luck!
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Finally, back in.
  Mary Wong:Sounds like a logical approach to me, Thomas.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):The GAC not the Board, Thomas.
  Mary Wong:Right, Claudia.
  Kiran Malancharuvil (IOC):+1 Thomas, that's what I heard.
  Julia Charvolen:Please mute your line if you are not speaking
  Debra Hughes:My apologies, I need to drop off the call.
  wolfgang:Sorry I havse also to leave within the next 15 minutes
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):consent to be not unreasonably witheld by 
reference to certain objective criteria, and within a reasonable time period
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):...and certain not for licensing or other monetary 
purposes indeed
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):May I elaborate?
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):important to recall also the different category of 
IGO protection under international law, as recalled also in the Beijing GAC 
advice
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):we need to make the process as non-cumbersome, 
simple and easy to use as possible, including to minimize burden on 
organizations  such as ISO and other potentially legitimate users
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):we may also need to explore possibilities for 
certain open ended consents for certain organizations such as ISO, so they 
don;t have to go through the process more than once for any legitimate 
application or registration
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Right
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Agree with David.
  Mary Wong:I'll need to confirm with NCUC & NCSG but I think that the 2 groups 
will NOT support blocks or large-scale exceptions; more likely a TMCH mechanism 
could find some support.
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):and we could define these on an objective basis to 
maximize certainty and provide additional comfort, may also need to consider 
standard form exemption forms (conceivably via a modified TMCH approach) so 
registries could except a standard form consent for operational purposes
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Mary, we too would support the TMCH 
mechanism.  And would expect to find more support on this lower level 
protection, for both IGOs and INGOs.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):We could also support your proposition Chuck.
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):I think TMCH is certainly an interesting idea 
worth further exploration, but may require some modification for IGO use in 
view of the particular status of the rights, for example on duration, cost and 
some form of exemption process to address non-legitimate use (i.e. legitimate 
registrations on certain criteria only would be allowed, but not any 
registration by any third party including potentially cybersquatters)
  Mary Wong:@David, that's true - but prob not an insurmountable problem.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):There may be something Mary.
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):Possibly not - but simplicty and timeliness are 
also important I think, and wonder how realistic necessary adjustments to the 
TMCH may be agreeable and implementable before new gTLDs would launch?
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):I think we also need to be careful not to equate 
trademark rights with IGO rights to preclude certain uses in a trademark sense 
of their acronyms under international law....
  Mary Wong:@David, absolutely.
  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):There may well be acronyms of INGO, for which 
they do not the same robust trademark protecion we have in ours.  Highlights 
the importance of working on criteria for INGOs.
  David Roache-Turner (WIPO):thanks alll bye
  wolfgang:Thanks. I could stay until the end. BBy
  Mary Wong:Yes, thanks and bye all!