Hi,
I agree that it is not a given. For me it is certainly a gating
requirement for supporting any second level policy, but that is
personal at this point - though I beleive that equal policy cross
incumbents and new gTLDs is a principle that NCSG supports in all
cases: any policy imposed on new gTLDs must be retroactively imposed
on all incumbents.
I agree that it is not easy, that is why I keep bring it up.
One thing, I think we need to take the grandfathering into account
when making decisions about granting the special protections for IGO/INGO.
- They tell us something about the current state of abuse
- They stop any ongoing abuse that the group deems sufficient to
require special protection on new gTLDs
- and if it turns out that it does not make sense to impose it on
the incumbents, then perhaps we should not require it of new gTLDs either.
avri
On 27 Jun 2013, at 09:02, Shatan, Gregory S. wrote:
> I agree that this is not low-hanging fruit. I generally agree
that grandfathering or other treatment of existing names should
track protections offered -- but I would treat this as an
assumption (for now) and not a conclusion.
>
> I think we need to identify and lay out the spectrum of
possibilities first. Our debate of the merits and issues of
proposed outcomes will be made more useful by having all of them in
front of us. I think this tracks our WG's overall approach, which
is a good one.
>
> Greg
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Claudia MACMASTER TAMARIT [mailto:MACMASTER@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 08:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
> To: Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; Avri Doria
<avri@xxxxxxx>; GNSO IGO INGO <gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-igo-ingo] Incumbents and any special second
level principles that may be recommended
>
>
> Grandfathering effect will of course depend on the kind of
protection offered (applicant assistance .... blocking, etc.).
>
> As for acronyms, this list might be substantial. And when it
comes to blocking, exceedingly important.
>
> Best,
> Claudia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
> Sent: 2013-06-27 14:25
> To: Avri Doria; GNSO IGO INGO
> Subject: RE: [gnso-igo-ingo] Incumbents and any special second
level principles that may be recommended
>
>
> Maybe we should add a question like the following to the
charter: What names proposed for protection are currently
registered at the second level in existing gTLDs? A related WG
task with corresponding deliverable could be: identify names
proposed for protection are currently registered at the second
level in existing gTLDs/list of such names with their associated gTLD.
>
> I think this would help the WG assess impact of grandfathering or
removing such names.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:39 PM
> To: GNSO IGO INGO
> Subject: [gnso-igo-ingo] Incumbents and any special second level
principles that may be recommended
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have worked under the assumption that any names that do get
special protections at the second level on new gTLDs should have
the same protection on existing gTLDS.
>
> My preference if for some set of processes for removing the names
from existing holders thought the use of a carrot and stick approach.
>
> At the very least all such names should become non-transferable
and nonrenewable. that too requires a policy decision and perhaps
operational recommendations.
>
> That is why I have felt that this is a complicated issue that
must be discussed before we make any other decisions and I am very
concerned about us not having discussed it instead assuming it was
low hanging fruit. To just assume that they will be blocked from
that point further is, I beleive, insufficient. I know it is a
hard and knotty problem, but if it is fair for new Registries, it
is fair for existing registries and both should be governed by the
same set off policies. If these special protections are as
important as we are being told they are because of bad experiences
in the existing market, then they must done across the board.
>
> avri
>
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