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Re: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] IRTP C Clarification

  • To: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] IRTP C Clarification
  • From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 00:23:21 -0800

Hi All,

As I've said before, I think we need to distinguish between implementation
effective date and the development of the implementation plan. If I've
understood James and Michele correctly, I think they are referring to the
implementation effective date when they are talking about 'pausing' and
considering rolling out changes at fixed points in the year. However, before
being able to talk about pausing or when sometimes becomes in effect, I
think we first need an actual implementation plan. As there were quite a
number of issues that needed to be worked out in relation to IRTP Part C as
part of the implementation discussions, I think there is still plenty to do
before we even get to the stage of considering when this could/would become
into effect. Also, by the time we have worked through those items it may
become more clear whether or not any of the proposed recommendations of IRTP
Part D need to be tied into the implementation effective date of IRTP Part
C. Presumably having an actual implementation plan would also allow for more
effective planning by contracted parties, even if the implementation
effective date is for example a year out, as they can already anticipate
what needs to happen in order for them to be ready by that date. As the IRTP
Part C recommendations were adopted by the Board about a year ago, wouldn't
it be nice if we could share a proposed implementation plan with the
community by Singapore (even if it means that the actual changes wouldn't
come into effect until later)?

Best regards,


From:  Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date:  Wednesday 11 December 2013 00:16
To:  Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc:  "gnso-impl-irtpc-rt@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-impl-irtpc-rt@xxxxxxxxx>, Tim Cole
Subject:  Re: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] IRTP C Clarification

hi Caitlin.

what??  you don't follow what we're saying?  humph.  *I* don't follow what
we're saying half the time.  ;-)

it would probably do us all some good to quickly schedule an IRTP C IRT call
to work through the implications of all this.

-- the IRTP-D conversations have been inconsistent about the scope of the
delay to IRTP-C implementation.  sometimes we say "all of it" sometimes we
say "some of it" and when we say "some" we change which bits we're talking
about.  i'm glad to see that you're grabbing us by the scruff of the neck
and saying "wait.  what??"

-- i'm not sure whether we need to pause *all* of C or just parts of it.
that requires more thought -- maybe drag Marika into that thought process?

-- we *have* uncovered a problem with the IRTP-C recommendation during
IRTP-D.  in C, we created this whole new kind of transfer category -- the
inter REGISTRANT transfer.  we wrote a lot about that process, but then
punted on the dispute-resolution part of that and said "sure, TDRP can
handle that."  turns out that's more complicated than we thought and we're
just wading through that discussion right now in D.  it would be good to
coordinate what we do in D with what's being done in the implementation of

-- i'm starting to rethink the face to face meeting idea.  i'd like to
ponder than some more -- but the ICANN level of activity just went off the
scale with all this Brazil stuff (on top of all the other stuff).  we might
want to schedule a few *long* teleconference meetings rather than
face-to-face meetings and see where that takes us.  a lot cheaper and a lot
less disruptive of schedules and lives.

just a few random thoughts.  i don't see how you people with day jobs get
through all this ICANN stuff.  it's pretty heavy-duty right now.

thanks for your note.  let's bat this around a little more and see where we


On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@xxxxxxxxx>

> Hello Mikey, James, and IRTP C IRT,
> I attended the IRTP D session at ICANN48 remotely.  As it was pretty early Los
> Angeles time, I wanted to touch base with you to make sure I understood the
> effect of various comments made during the session.  I have attached the
> transcript for ease of reference.
> On page 31 of the transcript, James asked if we could pause implementation
> efforts for IRTP C due to something that was uncovered in IRTP D discussions.
> I wanted to confirm what was meant by "pause implementation efforts".  During
> our last IRTP C call, there was a discussion of a face-to-face meeting to
> finely tune the implementation plan on a whiteboard.  I am happy to arrange
> that meeting; I just want to confirm that I should still move forward in light
> of the IRTP D discussions in Buenos Aires.
> Additionally, in light of requested delays, Tim Cole asked how we should allay
> the community concern of repeated implementation delays, and Mikey asked if we
> could prepare some messaging regarding delays.  I have included a few points
> below to consider:
> Members of the registrar community expressed some concern about all of the new
> contractual and policy implementation efforts that were coming down the
> pipeline including but not limited to:
> * the 2013 RAA;
> * the Expired Registration Recovery Policy (PEDNR/ERRP);
> * IRTP Part B Recommendations 8 and 9;  and
> * IRTP Part C Recommendations 1, 2 and 3
> To that end, ICANN plans to work with the registrar community on an
> implementation roll-out plan, designed to make policy implementation cycles
> more predictable and thereby more manageable for registrars to incorporate
> into their business models.
> Some of the recommendations of IRTP D appear to conflict with recommendations
> of IRTP C, and until those conflicts are resolved, the team is recommending
> that implementation efforts for IRTP C be paused.  It may also be beneficial
> to acknowledge that the members of the IRTP C Implementation Review Team have
> extensive overlap with the IRTP D Working Group.
> Feel free to edit the above messaging as you see appropriate.   Also, please
> let me know if you would like me to schedule an in-person meeting for January
> or February, depending on availability.  I want to keep the ball rolling; I
> just want to be sure I correctly understood the instructions of the group.
> Kind regards,
> Caitlin Tubergen
> Registrar Relations and Contracts Manager
> <transcript-irtp-d-20nov13-en[2][2][1].pdf>

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