Re: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] RE: Save the Date: IRTP-C Teleconference

["James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Arthur:

Respectively, the time for this discussion was pre-2012.  It is wholly
inappropriate to re-open these issues within the context of Implementation.

J.


On 9/22/14, 8:44 , "Arthur Zonnenberg" <azonnenberg@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>In response to Michele and James, although this discussion should be
>saved for
>the next conference:
>- I am aware of the original report;
>- I advise to use clear language for implementation, to avoid
>miscommunication
>based on wording. IRTP-C simply is not a "Change of Registrant" policy
>anymore
>the minute the PDP decided to include a change of e-mail address, which
>industry
>wide and stand is known as a "contact update" , originating from the
>RFC5730 EPP
>standard. 
>
>Although contact create and domain update are also used via EPP, most
>registrar
>price lists clearly distinguish a change of registrant price versus a
>change of
>contact information price. This distinction is in my experience also
>regularly
>communicated to end users.
>
>Since we were discussing definitions 1.b), that includes the definition
>of the
>name given to the policy itself. So either we forbid discussions of the
>definitions or we change it to something that can be implemented or
>communicated
>clearly.
>
>Alternatively we can call it a "Change of Control" Policy, with the
>burden of
>explaining that to end users (not too dissimilar from the IRTP in
>general). In
>any case "Change of Registrant" or "Change of Registrant Information" is
>incomplete since we apply it to e-mail and admin-c as well and therefore
>confusing.
>
>I therefore call on the group to include change of control policy
>metrics, for
>example about the policy being complained about as confusing in
>communication
>(point above), or about changes of registrant/control being failed or
>abandoned,
>measuring its effectiveness (see my other comment in the document). We
>have
>currently have no data to check whether this policy to be implemented will
>actually succeed in the majority of user cases in practice. If this is
>beyond
>the scope of IRTP-C policy, it will need to be addressed by the to be
>accepted
>IRTP-D policy. Or are there alternatives for checking the effect of what
>we are
>doing?
>
>Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>Arthur Zonnenberg
>Product Manager
>Hostnet bv
>
>tel: +31.207500834
>fax: +31.207500825
>mail: azonnenberg@xxxxxxxxxx
>website: https://www.hostnet.nl
>
>> On September 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Folks:
>> 
>> The IRTP-C recommendations clearly designate a ³Change of Registrant²
>> consensus policy.  It also refers to this as a ³change of control,²
>>which
>> would, IMO, include email address since that is the destination address
>> for the FOA/AuthInfo code.
>> 
>> For your convenience, here is a link to the IRTP-C PDP Final Report:
>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/irtp-c-final-report-09oct12-en.pdf
>> 
>> Thanks--
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/22/14, 7:39 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight"
>><michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Arthur
>> >
>> >You cannot simply change it to "change of whois information"
>> >
>> >The entire policy is around "change of registrant"
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Michele
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Mr Michele Neylon
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>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Arthur Zonnenberg [mailto:azonnenberg@xxxxxxxxxx]
>> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:32 PM
>> >To: Caitlin Tubergen; Leticia Castillo; gnso-impl-irtpc-rt@xxxxxxxxx;
>> >Batteiger, Simonetta
>> >Cc: Amy Bivins; Terri Agnew; Marika Konings; Mike Zupke; Michele
>>Neylon -
>> >Blacknight; Glen de Saint Géry; James M. Bladel; Steve Chan; Lars
>> >Hoffmann; Nathalie Peregrine
>> >Subject: Re: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] RE: Save the Date: IRTP-C
>>Teleconference
>> >
>> >Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> >Some interesting implementation topics were raised during the call,
>> >inspiring me to add some edits and comments to be discussed in our next
>> >session.
>> >
>> >Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>> >
>> >Arthur Zonnenberg
>> >Product Manager
>> >Hostnet bv
>> >
>> >tel: +31.207500834
>> >fax: +31.207500825
>> >mail: azonnenberg@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >website: https://www.hostnet.nl
>> >
>> >> On September 18, 2014 at 7:04 PM "Batteiger, Simonetta"
>> >> <simonetta@xxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Hi Everyone,
>> >> I apologize for my non working microphone on today's call.
>> >> Please find a couple of wording suggestions attached for discussion
>>in
>> >> the group.
>> >> Simonetta
>> >> 
>> >> -----Original Appointment-----
>> >> From: Caitlin Tubergen [mailto:caitlin.tubergen@xxxxxxxxx]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:48 AM
>> >> To: gnso-impl-irtpc-rt@xxxxxxxxx; Leticia Castillo
>> >> Cc: Amy Bivins; Steve Chan; Glen de Saint Géry; James M. Bladel; Mike
>> >> Zupke; Arthur Zonnenberg; Lars Hoffmann; Terri Agnew; Nathalie
>> >> Peregrine; Marika Konings; Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>> >> Subject: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] Save the Date: IRTP-C Teleconference
>> >> When: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:00 PM-5:00 PM (UTC) Coordinated
>> >> Universal Time.
>> >> Where: Adigo Conference ID: 28462745
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Dear all,
>> >> 
>> >> The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part C Implementation
>> >> Review Team teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 18 September
>>2014
>> >>at 16:00 UTC.
>> >> 09:00 PDT, 12:00 EDT, 17:00 London, 17:00 CET, 03:00 (+1 day) Sydney.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> We will be discussing the draft Change of Registrant Policy, which is
>> >> attached.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Adigo Conference ID: 28462745
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Adigo numbers: http://adigo.com/icann/
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Adobe Connect with audio enabled:
>> >> http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartc/
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Caitlin Tubergen
>> >> Registrar Relations and Contracts Manager ICANN
>> >> 
>> >>  << File: Draft Change of Registrant Policy.docx >>
>> >>
>> 
>>