Re: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Response from ICANN Compliance re. impact of voluntarily language on 60 day lock

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 16 Sep 2010, at 21:09, Rob Golding wrote:

> 
>> clarify the distinction between a Whois update and a change of
>> registrant
> 
> With regards to domain contacts - registrant, billing, technical, admin ...
> 
> It was raised earlier on-list that the process of transferring a domain
> between registrars and that of changing the contact details for a domain,
> whilst commonly/logically (as far as domain user is concerned) done at the
> same time, are different processes and should be treated as such.
> 
> For a "thick-whois" system like .org this is trivial - the contact
> information is stored at the registry and easily available to the new
> registrar, so the process (normally) would be to receive the domain, then to
> issue the appropriate instructions to change the contact details.
> 
> However for a "thin-whois" system like .com this is not trivial or (with any
> level of real accuracy) automatable.
> 
> Because the registry does not hold details of who the registrant is
> (arguably the most important piece of information after the domain name
> itself) the new registrar is (as far as I can tell) forced to attempt to
> "scrape" the details from a text dump of the public whois (when its
> working), with varying degrees of success.

And in "thin whois" you have to do the same with all the other contacts too .. 
not just the registrant

> 
> If IRTP and similar are concerned (as they should be) with hijacks, illegal
> transfers, unauthorised contact changes etc - should we be setting down some
> rules about contact-retrieval across all TLDs and a definition of *exactly*
> what a registrant is and what "powers" over the domain they should have - in
> some places they are treated as god, in others they're insignificant and
> "admin is king" ...
> 
> Rob
> 

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