[gnso-irtpd] MP3 : IRTP D meeting - Monday 30 September 2013

[Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is 
scheduled for next Monday 07 September 2013 at 1500 UTC.


Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on 
Monday 30 September 2013 at 15:00 UTC at:


http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20130930-en.mp3

On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Volker Greimann – RrSG
James Bladel - RrSG
Kristine Dorrain – NAF
Angie Graves – CBUC
Chris Chaplow – CBUC
Bartlett Morgan – NCUC
Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP
Barbara Knight – RySG
Graeme Bunton - RrSG
Avri Doria – NCSG

Apologies:
Bob Mountain - RrSG
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Paul Diaz - RySG

ICANN staff:
Lars Hoffmann
Marika Konings
Julia Charvolen

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Mailing list archives:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/

Wiki page:
https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Julia Charvolen


Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 30 September 2013:
 Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group on Monday 30 
September 2013
  Bladel:Thanks for the Zoom control. :)
  Julia Charvolen:Avri DOria and Chris Chaplow joined the meeting
  Volker Greimann:I am now in the meeting#
  Chris Chaplow:It is a good issue description
  Bladel:Mine too.
  Bladel:Are we asking for Compliance Action, or are we establishing TDRP 
eligibility?
  Bladel:(call dropped, rejoining)
  Julia Charvolen:James is back on the call
  Bladel:Wow...now I know how to fence stolen goods in Germany!
  Kristine Dorrain:Wow..yeah, sell all stolen art in Germany.  :)
  Chris Chaplow:Isnt SEDO a german company?
  Bladel:Lol.
  Kristine Dorrain:the TDRP has a six month expiration....
  Avri Doria:auction become domain name laundering?
  Avri Doria:titles never hurt the auto secnd hand market, but they do create a 
new bureaucracy.
  Kristine Dorrain:Mikey, you're thinking of reverse domain name hijacking??
  Volker Greimann:I just think that we need to make sure this policy cannot be 
abused
  Bladel:I was thinking along the same lines, but Volker said it better.
  Bladel:We aren't evil enough to put ourselves in the mindset of a hijacker. :)
  Bladel:BUt it's not free for them to do so...
  Avri Doria:Is "you can alwsays go to court" a good temrinal postion for us to 
count on in Policy?
  Volker Greimann:would we not be better advised to tell the registrant to rely 
on the courts
  Bladel:@Avri:  I think so.
  Bladel:Otherwise there is no floor....
  Avri Doria:Should our policies be complete.  and yes there is court.  but for 
us to assume it is the exit point, is a moveable line.
  Volker Greimann:I am just saying that arbitration may be good for certain 
issues, other issues should be relegated to the respective courts
  Kristine Dorrain:I agree volker
  Volker Greimann:especially where there is potential for abuse
  Volker Greimann:"just because you can, does not mean you should"
  Kristine Dorrain:I'm thinking this way....very low value domain,  if the 
registrar can't fix the wrong, maybe the losing registrant says "that sucks", 
medium value, maybe they pay to try a TDRP or something, high value, maybe you 
skip the TDRP and go right to court...  Not every avenue is right for every 
domain name.
  Kristine Dorrain:and I use the word "value" loosely....it's all relative
  Avri Doria:also court will get more complicated when we get to multiple 
jurisdictions - the scaling point we haven't thought of too much.
  Avri Doria:also in the reverse highjacking we are talking a big-guy 
highjacker , little guy registrant - court is even less of a slution based on 
cost than TDRP.
  Graeme Bunton:thanks mikey
  Bartlett Morgan:thanks
  Bladel:Thanks