Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit Recommendations

[SS Kshatriy <sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>]

Zahid,
I can't summarise the long discussions on Sep 25.
only way is iether you go through the recordings or it is made available 
verbatism in text form.
In a nutshell, there is no pressing reason to send it separately. It reduces 
the importance of our work. However, I am not taking in to account all those 
technical objections what Victoria is raising.
SS
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From: Zahid Jamil <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations
To: "SS Kshatriy" <sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>, owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx, 
"ChuckGomes" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
"Julie Hedlund" <julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>, "gnso-osc-csg" 
<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 11:40 AM


SS,
Again: Please share your substantive objection to submitting subtask 4 ahead of 
the others?






Sincerely,

Zahid Jamil
Barrister-at-law
Jamil & Jamil
Barristers-at-law
219-221 Central Hotel Annexe
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From: SS Kshatriy <sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:43:08 
To: ChuckGomes<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; Victoria 
McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; 
gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations

Very serious.
You have to be up-to-date with the information.
ss
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From: Zahid Jamil <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations
To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx, "SS 
Kshatriy" <sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>, "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
"Julie Hedlund" <julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>, "gnso-osc-csg" 
<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 5:32 AM


SS,

What's your substantive objection with submitting subtask 4 ahead of the others?





Sincerely,

Zahid Jamil
Barrister-at-law
Jamil & Jamil
Barristers-at-law
219-221 Central Hotel Annexe
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From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:28:16 -0400
To: SS Kshatriy<sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; Victoria 
McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; 
gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations


SS,
 
We have tried very hard to get good representation from the SGs and 
constituences because we want and need their input to this process.  They are 
the ones who will have to approve our recommendations and live by them so we 
cannot do a good job without their input.  
 
Chuck




From: SS Kshatriy [mailto:sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:53 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; Victoria McEvedy; Julie 
Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg; zahid@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations







Dear Zahid,
You have been realy out of loop and now have only selective information.
There was lenghty discussions on Fri 25 and appreciate fully and be able to 
make a 'proper' frame of mind, you have to read MP 3 recordings in full.
--
One of the members (I could not identify him and so can't give his name) said 
that, "we receive lots of papers in Constituencies and it is difficult to 
review in peicemeal." He was refering to the all subtasks 1 to 4 being 
submitted. But he was prepared to review Subtask 4 if submitted peicemeal. 
Is it not strange and funny.
So to say, in that meeting, lots of strange and funny arguments were put in 
favour of pushing Subtask 4 through.
So, please read and grasp the full text and then make some comments.
 
regards,
SS

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From: Zahid Jamil <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations
To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx, 
"Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Julie Hedlund" 
<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxxx>, "gnso-osc-csg" <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:06 AM



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I think that's a good suggestion, especially keeping in mind how many things 
are currently being handled by the various teams/groups and the council. If we 
don't adopt this where possible it may just stall and inordinately delay 
processes.












Sincerely,

Zahid Jamil
Barrister-at-law
Jamil & Jamil
Barristers-at-law
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Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan
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From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:44:31 -0400
To: <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; Victoria 
McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; 
gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations


Excellent question Zahid.  I requested the following: if the recommendations 
for subtask 1.4 (Toolkit of Services for Constituencies and Stakeholder Groups) 
is approved with at least rough consensus by the WT, then we should send it 
forward to the OSC and ultimately to the Council ahead of other parts of our 
work that are not yet finished so that the toolkit could be implemented as soon 
as possible and constituencies and SGs could then benefit sooner from the 
services they elect to use.
 
Chuck




From: Zahid Jamil [mailto:zahid@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; Victoria McEvedy; Julie 
Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations




Apologies for being out of the loop. Could someone identify bifurcation of 
which specific issue is being discussed?





Sincerely,

Zahid Jamil
Barrister-at-law
Jamil & Jamil
Barristers-at-law
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From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:27:32 -0400
To: Victoria McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; Julie 
Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations


Thanks for the feedback Victoria.  Hope your weekend has gone well.  Please 
note a few responses below.
 
Chuck




From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:20 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations




I will revert tomorrow with substantive comments on the 1.4 Draft –which I have 
not reviewed.  
 
However, in terms of process: 

1. On the call on 25 September 2009, a previously determined issue (whether to 
bifurcate our work and put forward some recommendations before others) was 
re-opened.  If matters are to be re-opened –I think proper advance notice 
should be a minimum. 
[Gomes, Chuck] Please specifically identify the issue.   
2. The issue of bifurcation was discussed in depth and the whole group 
unanimously decided against it on 21 August 09—see Transcript. 
[Gomes, Chuck] Bifurcation is a terribly broad term that can be applied in a 
multitude of ways.  My recollection is that we applied it to a specific 
situation.  It appears that you believe that the WT made a unanimous decision 
to never "bifurcate" in the broadest sense of the term.  I do not think that 
was the case.  Merriam Webster defines "to bifurcate" as "to divide into two 
branches or parts".  So if what you are saying is correct, i.e., that we 
decided to never divide our work into parts, then I guess we should have never 
divided our work into two major tasks and we should never have divided task 1 
into 4 subtasks.  I request that the full WT be polled regarding whether they 
agree with the following statement: "The work team should never divide its work 
into parts."  It should be possible to do this on the list but at the latest it 
should be done in our next meeting.
3. This item was not on the Agenda for re-opening on 25 September. I don’t even 
seem to have an Agenda for the call. 
[Gomes, Chuck] In one of our calls a few weeks ago, you noted that it 
was ashamed that we spent so much time on process issues early in our work.  I 
agree.  But interestingly, you have been the primary cause of most of the 
process delays and now you are doing it again.      
4.    I joined the call late ---as did many others---and was not aware that the 
topic was being re-opened. I didn’t hear much of the discussion on the topic 
–only catching the very end of it and without preparation to discuss it. 
[Gomes, Chuck] Please note the following message that I sent to the WT list on 
22 Sep: "Thanks for the reminder Olga.  I would also like to point out that 
Julie sent draft recommendations to the full WT for review and comment.  It 
would be helpful if we could wrap that up in the next week or so.  In my 
opinion, it would be very helpful if we could send our final recommendations 
regarding a services toolkit to the OSC and on to the Council ASAP because I 
believe that the new SGs as well as constituencies, WGs, etc. could benefit a 
lot from this task moving forward as soon as possible."   Also note that Julie 
first sent the subtask 1.4 proposed final report on 11 Sep after input had been 
requested from the full WT and after Claudio had provided some constructive 
input.
 
5.    Where a number of members have not and had not finally reviewed the 
relevant Subtask Work at the time and neither its final approval nor the 
bifurcation was on the Agenda--- in these circumstances, the re-opening of the 
issue was not conducted fairly. 
[Gomes, Chuck] Unless you believe that we should not divide any of our work 
into parts, I request that we cease talking about bifurcation in the broad, 
general sense and only talk about it as it relates to a specific issue. 
  

6.    Further and more importantly a call for any kind of poll was premature. 
[Gomes, Chuck] Why?  Most people on the call were prepared and additional time 
was allowed for those who were not.  If we are overly rigid about process, I 
suppose we could drag our work out months longer than necessary.  I for one, do 
not support that. 
  

7.    It remains premature given comments are still to come –and with them 
there must be a requirement to try to reach a consensus on points. 
[Gomes, Chuck] We are trying to reach consensus.  What do you think all of this 
is about?  It seems unlikely that we will reach unanimous consensus so the next 
goal will be to reach rough consensus.  We could determine that by early next 
week. 
Best, 

  


 
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 25 September 2009 21:17
To: Victoria McEvedy; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations

  

Victoria, 

  

You emphatically stated that you disagreed with what I said.  I still would 
like to know which statement you disagreed with and why.  I am quite certain it 
was not this one: "We did not reach unanimous consensus."  So it must be this 
one: "It remains to be seen whether there is rough consensus."  What do you 
disagree with? 

  

The 'OSC Communications Work Team Charter' can be found here: 
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?osc_communications_work_team_charter. ; 
See Section III, Work Team Rules. 

  

Chuck 


  




From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:21 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations 

Chuck --- Please point to the procedure you cite so we can see the actual 
language. This is part of the very issue before us. Where are the rules?   

  


 
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 25 September 2009 20:18
To: Victoria McEvedy; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations

  

What do you disagree with Victoria?  I made two statements. Which one is wrong 
and why? 

  

Chuck 


  




From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:45 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations 

I disagree Chuck. 

  

It was clearly called as a failure to reach rough consensus. 

  

My understanding is that happens in a meeting –and is not a process that goes 
out to a group unless by formal vote. 

  

Please point to the procedure you cite so we can see the actual language and 
let’s wait for the recording and see where we are then. 

  

I would also like to review our earlier discussion on splitting the work in the 
earlier meetings. 

  

Best, 

  

  


 
Victoria McEvedy 

Principal 

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Solicitors and Attorneys 



  

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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 25 September 2009 19:40
To: Victoria McEvedy; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations

  

We did not reach unanimous consensus. It remains to be seen whether there is 
rough consensus. 

  

Chuck 


  




From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Victoria McEvedy
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:11 PM
To: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations 

Thanks Julie I will be reverting with comments on Monday. 

  

We already dealt with (3) on the call and failed to reach a rough consensus as 
I understood it? 

  

Best,    

  


 
Victoria McEvedy 

Principal 

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Solicitors and Attorneys 



  

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From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 25 September 2009 16:36
To: gnso-osc-csg
Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] ACTION ITEM: Task 1, Subtask 4: Draft Tool Kit 
Recommendations

  

Dear Work Team members,

On today’s call we discussed the final draft of the Tool Kit Services 
Recommendations for GNSO Organizations (Draft 3 11 Sept 09), which incorporates 
changes suggested by Claudio.  On the call we decided to circulate this final 
draft to allow time for those who have not already done so to comment on the 
document.  The Work Team is asking for a response from you, no later than 
Tuesday, 29 September, on the following: 


Any suggested changes to Draft 3 of the Tool Kit Services Recommendations 
If no suggested changes, please affirm that you agree with the final draft 
version of the Recommendations 
Please indicate whether these Recommendations should be provided  a) to the OSC 
as soon as they are agreed to by the Work Team; b) along with Recommendations 
for the other Subtasks; or c) please let us know if you have suggestions for 
another way to handle these Recommendations. 

Also, those of you who were at the meeting please feel free to add comments or 
clarifications to my summary of this action item from our meeting. Please let 
me know if you have any questions.

Thank you very much.

Best regards,

Julie 

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