RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] PEDNR workshop

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't believe we should try to guess what various components of the
community *think*. The end-of-life cycle is a matter of fact and can be
presented. Let's allow people to tell us what they think. How registrars
or registries use the end-of-life cycle may also be a matter of fact and
can be presented if known and verified as accurate.

If we do anything else, we must then worry about giving *equal time* to
other views.

Tim

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] PEDNR workshop
From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 10:12 am
To: "gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>


Tim, we can pick whatever words we want, but I 
think what Marika was getting at (and I'm sure 
she will correct me if I am wrong) is that the 
presentation should be up-front about the 
differences between what most people *think* the 
process is, including many long-time ICANN people 
(including some on GNSO) and what is often 
actually happening. I am not saying that what is 
happening violates rules, just that many are not 
aware of how things play out now.

Alan

At 28/05/2009 10:42 AM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
>Domain Name end-of-life cycle - Please do not use the term *theory*.
>This should be a fact based presentation of the cycle and fact based
>information on how registrars or registries use it. If Rob can do it, he
>should have at least an outline to the WG for review by 12 June.
>
>Tim
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [gnso-pednr-dt] PEDNR workshop
>From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 7:31 am
>To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>,
>"gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>Thanks Alan for your feedback. As this meeting is likely to be the
>kick-off for the WG, would the following agenda make sense and address
>your points?
>
>
>+ The ALAC Request &shy; issues identified and envisioned outcomes (Alaan)
>
>+ The Issues Report &shy; overview and recommendations (Marika)
>+ The role of compliance in the Expired Domain Name Deletion Policy -
>(ICANN compliance department &shy; if available)
>+ Domain Name end-of-life cycle &shy; theory and practice (Rob Hall â– if
>available)
>+ Exchange of views on PEDNR Charter questions (All):
>
>
> - Whether adequate opportunity exists for registrants to redeem
>their expired domain names;
> - Whether expiration-related provisions in typical registration
>agreements are clear and conspicuous enough;
> - Whether adequate notice exists to alert registrants of
>upcoming expirations;
> - Whether additional measures need to be implemented to
>indicate that once a domain name enters the Auto-Renew Grace Period, it
>has expired (e.g., hold status, a
> notice on the site with a link to information on how to renew, or other
>options to be determined).
> - Whether to allow the transfer of a domain name during the
>RGP.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Marika
>
>
>On 5/27/09 11:35 AM, "Alan Greenberg"
><https://email.secureserver.net/alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> At 27/05/2009 03:27 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
>
> In addition to the development of a proposed charter, I am hoping to
>get your thoughts and ideas for the programme of the workshop on
>Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery that has been scheduled for
>Wednesday 24 June from 14.00 &shy; 16.00 in Sydney (see
>http://syd.icann.org/node/3869) to allow for a first exchange of views
>with the broader community on these issues and hopefully attract
>additional people to join the Working Group.
>
>Marika, thanks for starting this.
>
>I think that two parts that are required are:
>
>1. A tutorial on the end-of-life cycle both as originally imagined and
>what is actually happening.
>2. A summary of what those who initiated this process imagine as
>reasonable outcomes.
>
>I would be happy to participate in both parts (assuming a decision is
>made soon to give me time to prepare).
>
>Part 1. could also be done by staff. Alternately, perhaps Rob hall could
>be convinced to present such a review. He did something similar in
>Lisbon -
>http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/lisbon/transcript-tutorial-expiring-25mar07.htm
>.
>
>Alan