[gnso-policyimpl-wg] Attendance and Recording Policy and Implementation WG meeting - 25th September 2013

[Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

Please note that the next Policy and Implementation Working Group 
teleconference is scheduled for Wednesday 16th October  2013 at 1900 UTC for 
1,5 hrs.

Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working group 
call held on Wednesday 25th September  2013 at 20:00 UTC at:


http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20130925-en.mp3


On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep


The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Holly Raiche - ALAC
Greg Shatan - IPC
Anne Aikman Scalese - IPC
Wolf Knoben - ISPCP
Chuck Gomes - RySG
Philip Marano - IPC (for Brian Winterfeldt)
Michael Graham - IPC
Olevie Kouami - NPOC
Amr Elsadr - NCUC
Tim Ruiz - RrSG
Tom Barrett - RrSG
James Bladel - RrSG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC
Aparna Sridhar - BC
Maureen Cubberley - Individual
Avri Doria - NCSG
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
Gideon Rop -
Klaus Stoll -
J.Scott Evans -
Eric Brunner-Williams -
Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC



Apology:
Nic Steinbach - RrSG
Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC
Kristine Rosette - IPC
Olga Cavalli - GAC
Krista Papac

ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Lars Hoffman
Glen de St Gery
Nathalie Peregrine

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


 Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie Peregrine
For GNSO Secretariat

Adobe Chat Transcript for Monday 25th September 2013:

  Marika Konings:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation WG Meeting of 25 
September 2013

  Gideon Rop:Thank you Marika

  Michael R Graham:Thanks, Marika.  Sorry about the e-mail hassles!

  maureen cubberley:thanks Maria.

  maureen cubberley:typo! Thanks Marika

  Holly Raiche:Thanks Marika

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Hello Holly, the operator is dialling out to you now, 
didn't want the 35 min early wake up call like last week

  Holly Raiche:Thanks Natalie

  Marika Konings:@Michael - no worries, I hope we have got it right now ;-)

  J. Scott:I am with operator now

  ebw:howdy all.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Please mute speakers, AC room mikes and phones

  maureen cubberley:Marika, I do not think my audio is working. can we test? if 
there is a problem, I will dial in. thanks. MC

  Marika Konings: Feel free to speak up

  Alan Greenberg:Dialing in now.

  Marika Konings:we can test in that way ;-)

  maureen cubberley:it does not appear to be working. i will dial in. thanks.

  Greg Shatan:Greg Shatan joining...

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call

  Marika Konings:It was for the sub-team - I can put it up if you like?

  Amr Elsadr:Apologies about being late. Dialling in now.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Wolf Knoben has joined the AC room

  Wolf Knoben:Hi, I got it

  Greg Shatan:Hope we are not barking up the wrong tree....

  Amr Elsadr:Now on the call. :)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:lol

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:back in audio bridge as well

  Marika Konings:@Michael - the doodle poll was sent out earlier today. Maybe 
you can double check you received that message with all the email issues we've 
had ;-)

  Alan Greenberg:No doodle has shown up here.

  Marika Konings:it was at the bottom of the email summarizing the discussions 
of yesterday

  Amr Elsadr:Alan..., the doodle's on the sub-team list. Sent earlier today. 
You didn't get it?

  Marika Konings:did anyone of the sub-team receive it?

  Amr Elsadr:I did.

  Alan Greenberg:I was looking for the word "doodle" anywher, but will check.

  Alan Greenberg:It's there and my search didn't catch it. One more think to 
look into!

  Marika Konings:doodle was in the title though ;-)

  Phil Marano:For the roll call, please note that I am also covering for Brian 
Winterfeldt.  Thank you.

  Alan Greenberg:Oh great. a double problem.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Thank you Phil, noted

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Tim Ruiz will be joining late

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Nathalie  I thought mute on this provider was still *6?

  Nathalie  Peregrine:no Cheryl, it's *4 and *4 to unmute

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:*shigh*  thanks

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no point in switching phoines so I can mute and then not 
doing it

  Alan Greenberg:The good thing about standards is that you can have so many of 
them.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:LOL

  Holly Raiche:I have seen the  fulsome report - but not a doodle

  Michael R Graham:I have not seen the doodle request yet.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:who decides if an issue is intended to be a consensus 
policy?

  Holly Raiche:I think that is something that is part of what we will look at

  Michael R Graham:@Alan: I've rarely seen such cynicism combined with such 
optimism!

  Alan Greenberg:If you mean "Consensus Policy" (with upper case C and P, that 
is a defined term which is a policy that once approved and implmented, 
immediately alters registrar and/or registry contracts. What a CP can be about 
is delineating in detail in the respective contracts.

  Mary Wong:@Tom, did you mean Consensus Policy (binding on Registries and 
Registrars) or other consensus policies?

  Alan Greenberg:@Michael, actualy was meant not so much as cynicism or 
optimism but as pragmatism!

  Holly Raiche:Again, isn't this part of what is before this group

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:@Mary  what other CP are there?  (if not binding on 
contracted parties?)

  Mary Wong:@Alan, thanks. Yes, Consensus Policies constitute a defined term; 
in ICANN parlance that's usually what's considered as within the "picket fence".

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:@Holly,what is not part of what before this group?

  Alan Greenberg:Lower case cp would be a policy that was arrived at by 
consensus. In the context of what Marika was discussing, if we use some other 
process to arrive at a poolicy decision, that could be a consensus policy.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:@holly..never mind,  I misread your comment.

  Holly Raiche:That's the hard question. If something is a consensus policy - 
as defined, then there is a clear process required.  But is there something tht 
is consensus that doesn't require a PDP.  Not sure

  Mary Wong:@Alan, thanks again.

  Mary Wong:To add: it's important to remember also that GNSO Working Groups 
make their recommendations according to a varying set of consensus levels (each 
defined in the GNSO Working Group Guidelines), ranging from Full Consensus to 
No Consensus.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Olevie Kouami has joined the audio bridge

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:@Alan..can you give examples of policies that used some 
other process but is still considered a consensus policy?

  ebw:proposed policy, for which there is consensus within the gnso-c, and 
possibly other parties, not necessarily pertaining to a currently contracted 
party,e.g., prospective contracted parties, may be (lower case) "consensus 
policy"

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:can you provide some examples?

  Alan Greenberg:What we are currently calling the implementation phase!

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:someone needs mute

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:what I mean is this:  what policies would we have that 
is not binding on contracted parties?

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:are there optional policies?

  Mary Wong:@Tom, at its broadest a "consensus policy" (no caps) can be a 
policy that is approved and adopted by the ICANN Board as a result of community 
consensus around the policy recommendation in question.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:can it be optional?

  Mary Wong:It is possible (though unlikely, from experience) that a policy 
will be adopted where there was NO consensus from the community on it.

  Alan Greenberg:It could be a policy directing what ICANN should do in some 
case.

  Holly Raiche:Maybe one test is whether the resultant 'policy' is required

  ebw:well, an example may be idn variants. there is a consensus policy, but 
implementation is optional (a registry may use just ASCII).

  Alan Greenberg:Perhaps best case is the new gTLD policy which has resulted in 
the entire new gTLD program. It was a GNSO policy that did not impact existing 
contracts.

  ebw:+1

  ebw:idn policy does not impact ASCII-only registries and their registrars.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:who is "ebw" pplease

  ebw:eric brunner-williams. you know me.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:hi eric

  ebw:howdy tom

  Mary Wong:The PDP process is robust; once something is characterized as 
"policy" the various stages and procedures are pretty clear, from Issue Report 
to Consensus levels. The problem may arise at either end: agreeing that 
something is or is not "policy", or determining when a policy, once adopted, 
continues to raise further policy questions or is "pure" implementation.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:agreed

  Mary Wong:(To clarify: I'm referring to the GNSO PDP).

  Michael R Graham:Points of concern are "when appropriate" and "as deemed 
appropriate" -- my concern is who determines whether appropriate.  IRT should 
be participants in the PDP in order to ensure that presumptions and intent of 
PDP are clear and carried out.

  Michael R Graham:Which echoes Mary's comments about primary issues perhaps 
coming at beginning and end of PDP.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:+1

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Congratulations  team USA  the Americas  Cup was well won 
indeed (an aside yes I know)

  Mary Wong:The IRT for the TMCH etc. was formed at the direction of the Board 
in 2009.

  Michael R Graham:But a much appreciated aside.

  Bladel:Hard to hear J Scott

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:speak up J Scott

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:better thanks  J Scott

  Mary Wong:That was an advisory group made up of volunteers.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:volunteers selected by icann

  Mary Wong:(assuming Anne is referring to the technical implementation group 
for the TMCH. As Marika says, that wasn't a GNSO Council initiative).

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:icann reached out to specific individuals.  there was 
no call for volunteers

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:LOL

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:you got that right  Chuck

  J. Scott:that is what I meant Alan.  thanks for the clarification

  ebw:alan's statement is consistent with my memory of policy work in 2009.

  Greg Shatan:@Cheryl: Amazing.  Fantastic.  Incredible.  A comeback for the 
ages. Running out to buy my own 72 foot cat now.

  Michael R Graham:Going off topic: This "reaching out" to particular 
participants appears to be in the course of being repeated in the 5 Expert 
Panels annouonced in Durban.

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:they're just "volunteers"

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@Greg quite a race (hubby is a retired sailor he stayed 
home late from work to watch) :-)

  Amr Elsadr:That was me clapping. :)

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:I believe it was ICANN staff initiated

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:(ceo)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Indeed  I doubt it would be a model for us to look to

  Holly Raiche:It is an issue in so far as it is a process we could look at - 
Why notlook at - as an example of what not to do

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and as has been pointed out  answering our Charter 
questions is the point  for us to focus on  IF it was a desirable model  then 
it might have been worth a review

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:J. Scott.  What process is required to update the 
process Marika described?

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:i entered it vai chat

  maureen cubberley:thanks for the excellent presentation Marika.

  Marika Konings:You are welcome - if there are any further questions that may 
arise as you review the materials, please let me know.

  Amr Elsadr:All the documents are on the background documents page of the WG 
wiki.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:all good thsnks  J Scott

  EnCirca - Tom Barrett:thanks Marika

  Alan Greenberg:The TMCH implementation group, although was successful for 
that purpose was formed because ICANN staff had been ignoring contracted party 
implementation concerns with the TMCH, and that group went on to discuss other 
thngs.

  Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:thks Marika, very good as usual :)

  Michael R Graham:Sorry - my phone is off.  One thing: between now and October 
16, the subgroup may ask the group for input to our work.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:of course1

  Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:thank you all.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye all  until Oct 16 1900 UTC

  Anne Aikman-Scalese:I think the TMCH is part of understanding the overall 
territory per the chart.  It actually happend

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye a;ll

  Mary Wong:Thanks andb bye!

  Amr Elsadr:Bye.

  Greg Shatan:Bye