Re: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Proposed Agenda - Next Policy & Implementation WG Meeting

[Michael graham <gnosisiplaw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Marina--I may be 5-10 minutes late getting on phone line.

Michael R Graham
Sent from my mobile phone.

> On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> hi
> i will do my best to join but i might have to stay in the gac comunique 
> drafting meeting that ocerlaps.
> best
> olga
> 
>> On 20/11/2013, at 09:55, Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Maureen,
>> 
>> Sorry to hear that yo cannot make it, but I hope you will be back on your 
>> feet very soon!! Thank you for your feedback, we'll make sure to share it 
>> with the community during the F2F meeting.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Marika
>> 
>> From: mcubberley <mcubberley@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wednesday 20 November 2013 05:12
>> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: Gnosis IP Law & Consulting <gnosisiplaw@xxxxxxxxx>, 
>> "gnso-policyimpl-wg@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-policyimpl-wg@xxxxxxxxx>, 
>> "gnso-definitions-subteam-policyimpl@xxxxxxxxx" 
>> <gnso-definitions-subteam-policyimpl@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Proposed Agenda - Next Policy & 
>> Implementation WG Meeting
>> 
>> Hello Marika,
>> 
>> Regrettably, I am scheduled to meet with another specialist tomorrow to try 
>> to determine the best way to get me back on my feet, literally. These bone 
>> breaks are more complex than was first thought, and there are some new 
>> complications.
>> 
>> As a result, I will not be able to participate in tomorrow's meeting, which 
>> is unfortunate in light of the very interesting recent posts and discussion 
>> regarding the fundamental question of the relationship between policy and 
>> implementation, and the possibility of elasticity in interpretation.
>> 
>> I am sure, nonetheless, that the other members of the sub-group will be able 
>> to update the working group and the GNSO Council on our progress.  Had I 
>> been able to participate, there is one observation I would like to have 
>> made, and so, with respect, I will make it here, in this email.
>> 
>> (With apologies for the lengthy message........but think of all the time 
>> that will. be saved in the meeting by reading this now.)
>> 
>> Observation
>> The *draft* definitions the sub-group has developed are a strong starting 
>> point in that they are clear and neutral, and most importantly, they enable 
>> an understanding of the words and phrases as just that: words for which an 
>> agreed-upon definition can be found. As drafts, they will be subject to some 
>> editing.
>> 
>> In my view, (and that of others, or the sub-team would not have been 
>> formed), it is essential to seek agreement on the basic definitions 
>> themselves, before trying to interpret them in terms that could change their 
>> fundamental meaning. 
>> 
>> Yes, there is a definite link between policy and implementation, as there is 
>> a link between principles and policies. I think, however, that in focussing 
>> on the relationship between Policy and Implementation, and in assuming it is 
>> a *direct* link, we have missed some crucial steps, and the agreement or 
>> disagreement over who will have influence over what, and at which stage, has 
>> truncated and blurred our understanding of the progression of action from 
>> idea to implementation. In other words, we may have left out a few things.
>> 
>> I see the continuum (Maureen's Quick and Easy Continuum of Activity), in 
>> this way:
>> 
>> PURPOSE and VISION
>> tell us why an organization exists, and where it sees itself now and in the 
>> future.
>> (.....In order for an organization to determine what will guide the 
>> development of its vision, the organization will need PRINCIPLES.)
>> 
>> PRINCIPLES
>> are agreed-upon, adopted, basic beliefs, truths or theories that influence 
>> decision and action, and represent that which is positive and desirable for 
>> an organization.
>> (.....In order to make decisions, which will reflect the organization's 
>> PRINCIPLES, the organization needs POLICIES.)
>> 
>> POLICIES are written statements of sets of decisions, which are considered 
>> and chosen to determine and guide present and future actions thought to be 
>> desirable or necessary.
>> (.....in order to enunciate, in terms of achievement and impact, the work 
>> that needs to be done, and in a manner consistent with the organization's 
>> POLICIES, the organization needs GOALS)
>> 
>> GOALS are statements of intended achievement and impact, which are 
>> consistent with an organization's POLICIES
>> (.....in order to achieve those GOALS, specific OBJECTIVES must be 
>> developed.)
>> 
>> OBJECTIVES are statements of the steps, together with indication of the 
>> resources (time, money, people), required to achieve the stated GOAL(s).
>> 
>> IMPLEMENTATION is the stage of working on (carrying out) the OBJECTIVE by 
>> using the allocated resources and plans established in the OBJECTIVE.
>> 
>> COMPLETION is........simply wonderful.
>> 
>> So......to go from Policy to Implementation, without considering the 
>> dependent steps that are between them, seems to complicate our task 
>> considerably, and make a successful outcome "a long shot".
>> 
>> If part of the purpose of our work is to illuminate the point(s) at which it 
>> may be appropriate for various parties to have input and influence into the 
>> decisions and actions that comprise this continuum, then we would be well 
>> advised to look closely at all of the points; They are connected, and 
>> influence at one point inevitable opens the door to influence at other 
>> points.
>> 
>> A lot goes on between Policy and Implementation, and I think we have to 
>> think about that before thinking about who (which groups) might be able to 
>> provide the most valuable input and influence at any or all of the stages. 
>> 
>> Submitted with Respect by,
>> Maureen Cubberley
>> 
>> 
>> Maureen Cubberley
>> +1.705.382.3841
>> 
>>> On 2013-11-13, at 12:40 PM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mauren, I'm very sorry to hear about your ankle. Please don't worry about 
>>> the call, I'm sure that one of the other sub-team members is able to 
>>> provide the update should you not be able to make it.
>>> 
>>> All, please find attached the latest version of the definitions document. 
>>> Do note that this is still work in progress – as a matter of fact, several 
>>> comments were submitted earlier today which the sub-team still needs to 
>>> review.
>>> 
>>> With best regards,
>>> 
>>> Marika
>>> 
>>> From: mcubberley <mcubberley@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Wednesday 13 November 2013 18:28
>>> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: Gnosis IP Law & Consulting <gnosisiplaw@xxxxxxxxx>, 
>>> "gnso-policyimpl-wg@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-policyimpl-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Proposed Agenda - Next Policy & 
>>> Implementation WG Meeting
>>> 
>>> Marika and Michael,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I missed this. I broke my ankle in a rather complex way Monday 
>>> afternoon .... something I really did not need right now :-/.....and have 
>>> been back and forth between doctors and the hospital ever since. I have 
>>> another appointment at 1pm today and plan to be home in time for the 20:00 
>>> utc (3pm Eastern) meeting today, assuming there are no further 
>>> complications to deal with.
>>> 
>>> I have not had a chance to look at the revised document, but I am sure it 
>>> reflects our discussions so please go ahead and circulate it.
>>> 
>>> If for some reason I am unable to participate in the meeting, perhaps you 
>>> two could take the lead, and I think Wolf-Ulrich would help too.
>>> 
>>> Sorry about this, but my schedule is at the mercy of the physicians and 
>>> their not-always-helpful assistants! (Some day we must chat about Canadian 
>>> health care :)
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maureen
>>> 
>>> Maureen Cubberley
>>> +1.705.382.3841
>>> +1.705.718.5723
>>> 
>>>> On 2013-11-12, at 3:18 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Michael, 
>>>> 
>>>> An updated version was sent to the sub-team yesterday for review and 
>>>> discussion. As soon as Maureen indicates that it is ready for broader 
>>>> distribution, I will of course do so.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Marika
>>>> 
>>>> From: Gnosis IP Law & Consulting <gnosisiplaw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Monday 11 November 2013 22:48
>>>> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Cc: "gnso-policyimpl-wg@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-policyimpl-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Proposed Agenda - Next Policy & 
>>>> Implementation WG Meeting
>>>> 
>>>> Marika:
>>>> 
>>>> I presume you will also post the Draft Definitions to the Working Group 
>>>> when the revisions are completed?
>>>> 
>>>> Michael R.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please find below the proposed agenda for the next Policy & 
>>>>> Implementation Working Group meeting (Wednesday 13 November 2013).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marika
>>>>> 
>>>>> Proposed Agenda Policy & Implementation Working Group Meeting – 13 
>>>>> November 2013 (20.00 UTC)
>>>>> Roll call / SOI  
>>>>> Update from Work Plan Sub-Team (Michael)
>>>>> Update from Definitions Sub-Team (Maureen)
>>>>> Formation of sub-team 0B – next steps
>>>>> Review update to GNSO Council presentation (see proposed slides attached)
>>>>> Planning for BA – proposed agenda:
>>>>> Introductions
>>>>> Finalise / sign off on work plan
>>>>> Discussion of questions (see attachment for latest version)
>>>>> Next steps / confirm next meeting
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Updated PI WG questions 31 Oct.doc><Policy Implementation Update - 
>>>>> Updated 11 November 2013.ppt>
>>> <Draft definitions - updated 11 November 2013 - 2.doc>