[gnso-policyimpl-wg] Attendance and Recording Policy and Implementation WG meeting - 17 December 2014
Dear All, The next Policy and Implementation Working Group teleconference is scheduled next week on Wednesday 07 January 2015 at 20:00 UTC for 1 hour. Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working group call held on Wednesday 17 December 2014 at 20:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20141217-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20141217-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr - At-Large Amr Elsadr - NCUC Chuck Gomes - RySG Greg Shatan - IPC Alan Greenberg-ALAC Tom Barrett - RrSG Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC Olevie Kouami - NPOC J.Scott Evans - BC Michael Graham - IPC Apologies: Avri Doria - NCSG Stephanie Perrin - NCUC Mary Wong - Staff ICANN staff: Marika Konings Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Steve Chan Berry Cobb Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag> https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 17 December 2014 Marika Konings:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Working Group Meeting of 17 December 2014 J. Scott:dialing in now Greg Shatan:I am in. Anne Aikman-Scalese:In terms of distinguishing the processes, the "outcomes" Marika identified should be expressly mentioned in the chart and in the draft manuals before the work is put out for public comment. Thank you. Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese:I think the EPDP already mentions the outcome. However, GIP process description is "use for non-binding input" from GNSO to Board Marika Konings:@Anne - the idea is that the outcomes would be used as part of the introduction / explanation to this section in the Initial Report. Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-) Marika Konings:For the GIP, non-binding input could also be provided to other groups (and looking at some of the cases we reviewed before, it would probably mainly be used to provide input to other groups as part of a public comment forum or request for input) Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I will send you th image Alan Cheryl Langdon-Orr:J Scott I am chairing the RFP-5 call at the top of the hour so will be leaving a few (5+ moins beforehand) apologies in advance... Terri Agnew:Welcome Amr Elsadr Amr Elsadr:Thanks Terri. Apologies for being late. J. Scott:Thank Cheryl. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes Consistncy @Alan same as other group and there is necessity when the Board does so... Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Correct Alan that is what Marik outline for us Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@Alan YES the ability to upscale from GGP => PDP based on GNSO Council input/ deliberation of course is something I messed saying I agree with the degree of obligations as is being outlined by @Marika now Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Same model wil help understanding nd predictability Amr Elsadr:I like Alan's suggestion that the GNSO is required to initiate a process in repsonse to a board-initiated GGP, but could have the ability to use a different process if it deems that appropriate. If I understood Alan correctly. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Ahhh I had not read thew twrm 'initiate' that way I was thinkin of the PDP existing processes Chuck Gomes:Agree with Alan; Council should be able to decide the vehicle. Amr Elsadr:Also agree with Alan. Chuck Gomes:Including with the Board. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes indeed @Anne and ti assist in answering this with getting Public Comment we might also need to explain/outline what the existing 'request fro PDP' opportunities that exist now to help make sure we get input into this question... Amr Elsadr:@J. Scott: +1 Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes were talking GGPO and othr vehcls NIT PDP requests at thos point Cheryl Langdon-Orr: but ned to make this ckear in the language Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I think we are all n the same page Cheryl Langdon-Orr:With the exception of the PDP YES Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I disagree to some extent Chuck Alan Greenberg:I am willing to accept what Chuck is saying but resereve the right to object vehemently when I see the actual wording. Cheryl Langdon-Orr: in as much as the responce can REQUIRE something (of whatever level) PDP => GGP=> Exbidited etc., in the case of the Board Cheryl Langdon-Orr: So my vriation with your view @Chuck is partial Chuck Gomes:Consistency for the sake of consistency could result in undesirable outcomes. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Z(situation normal) Anne Aikman-Scalese:I think we should seek public comment from the community on this aspect of these processes. Especially whether GNSO can say no to a request. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:True @Chuck but an attempt to emullate where possible and practical IS Olevie:Hi ! Glad to meet you all here Michael R. Graham:Michael R. is in the House. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I do think the point @Marika makes on language for "encouraging / requiring' dialogue in these things is essential as well Marika Konings:I think we probably need to point out in the Initial Report as well that expedited does not mean it can get done in 2 months ;-) Terri Agnew:Welcome Michael Graham Marika Konings:as there are certain minimum steps that need to be followed Alan Greenberg:Marika Konings: I think we probably need to point out in the Initial Report as well that expedited does not mean it can get done in 2 months ;-) Alan Greenberg:Correct, we want it in 1 Marika Konings::-) Amr Elsadr:I think that as Marika notes, we shouldn't equate "expedited" with "fast". It only means there are certain steps that exist within a PDP that would be skipped because of the nature of the policy issue under discussion. Chuck Gomes:Should we require simple majority for GGP? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes follow th same model for the GGP IMO Cheryl Langdon-Orr:AGREE @ JScott Chuck Gomes:I am okay with the threshold as is. Olevie:+1 @Chuck. Go for simple mjority for GGP Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NO disgree with change ti Simoe Majority for GGP @Olevie Olevie:ok Olevie:CLO ;-) Chuck Gomes:A GGP cannot be used for consensus policy. Olevie:ok cHUCK Tom Barrett - EnCirca:KISS Alan Greenberg:@Anne, process is different, impact of outcome the same. Alan Greenberg:@Chuck, Anne's quest excluded CP Cheryl Langdon-Orr: As I need to leave shortly before call cloe feel free to note at 1st run through my reactions to Q 4 & 5 is Agree in both points but we will I see deliberate in Jan meeting Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Absolutly @ JScott- Chuck Gomes:I also support 4 & 5. Alan Greenberg:@Amr - bad question to ask at end of meeting!!!!!!! Marika Konings:You mean if there would be two competing motions? Olevie:Sorry ! OK with point 4 and 5 Anne Aikman-Scalese:My questions relate to questions I think public commenters will ask and I agree with J. Scott we need to get our story straight and have talking points and that the request for public comment should be very very clear on these points as to when each process is used. Chuck Gomes:Amr asks a good question. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Sorry need ti leave now Seasons Greeting to you all and safe travels to those of you doing so... Chuck Gomes:Same to you Cheryl. Olevie:initing GGp different from approving the GGP Finl Report Anne Aikman-Scalese:Happy HOlidays Cheryl! Terri Agnew:finding the line Chuck Gomes:Amr may be right. Amr Elsadr:Sorry Alan!! :D Anne Aikman-Scalese:I agree Amr's observation is correct. Olevie:Season greetings to all of you Chuck Gomes:Amr gave us a way to resolve it. Michael R. Graham:@Alan -- Good point. And mine hurts as well . . . Chuck Gomes:Is there anyone who opposes 4 or 5? Anne Aikman-Scalese:Should we look at the previous chart of items we studied that were ad hoc? Amr Elsadr:Merry Christmas all, and happy new year. Marika Konings:@Anne - which chart are you referring to? Amr Elsadr:God jul. :) Olevie:thank you Amr Anne Aikman-Scalese:Good idea! Michael R. Graham:Happy Holidays, Everyone! Olevie:thnnk you Mike Anne Aikman-Scalese:Happy HOlidays to all who celebrate miracles at this time! Anne Amr Elsadr:Thanks Marika. I'll unwrap the initial report on Christmas day. :) Marika Konings::-) Chuck Gomes:All: Please review draft Initial report before next call. Olevie:same to you Marika Konings:Happy holidays everyone!! Michael R. Graham:Will the Principles and Definitions be included as appendices? Tom Barrett - EnCirca:happy holidays to all Olevie:ok Chuck Olevie:bye Attachment:
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