RE: [gnso-ppsc-pdp] Support for a PDP Work Team Face to Face Meeting

["Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I see your note was forwarded to the Council so I would appreciate your 
forwarding this reply.  To the Council, please ignore the draft request at the 
bottom of this string as it will be revised by Avri to reflect the NCSG view.  
Avri has stated she believed I misrepresented their position, and so to avoid 
any misunderstandings, I am allowing her to rewrite that paragraph.

Mike -- If you look at your e-mail archive, you will see that this was 
forwarded to the PPSC on December 5th.  I will resend that to you, but I do not 
see the need to rehash it all for the Council. 

Thanks. 

Jeffrey J. Neuman 
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy


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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:37 PM
To: 'Gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx'; 'GNSO Council'
Subject: RE: [gnso-ppsc-pdp] Support for a PDP Work Team Face to Face Meeting


I also did not and do not support this, and would have expected it to go to
the PPSC before the Council, as that is the structure we deliberately put in
place at the beginning of this process.

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
548 Market Street
San Francisco, CA  94104
(415) 738-8087
http://rodenbaugh.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:53 PM
To: Gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-ppsc-pdp] Support for a PDP Work Team Face to Face
Meeting


Hi,

I do believe you misrepresented the full consensus on the team as I did not
participate in such consensus.

I also think you have distorted the NCSG reasoning very prejudicially.

I also do not believe you even asked for a PPSC consensus call.  

a.

On 10 Dec 2009, at 00:17, Neuman, Jeff wrote:

> Chuck,
> 
> Please find enclosed a request by the PDP Work Team for a face to face
meeting in January 2010 setting for the rationale for needing such a working
session.  This draft  was discussed by the PDP Work Team.  There was a
consensus within the PDP WT for such a face to face meeting for the reasons
stated within the attached document and should address some of the concerns
that we have seen on the GNSO Council list over the past several weeks.   We
offer no opinion in this document on the general role of face to face
meetings, the Council role in approving or supporting those face to face
meetings, etc., but rather focus on our specific request.
> 
> The request was sent to the full Policy Process Steering Committee on
December 5, 2009, and although no comments were actually received from any
person on the PPSC that was not already a member of the PDP WT, there were
some comments from the Noncommercial Stakeholder Group with respect to who
was eligible for funding from ICANN.  The discussions are archived on two
lists (the PPSC list: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-ppsc/) and the
PDP-WT list (the PDP WT list - http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-ppsc-pdp/).
It should be noted that the PPSC as a whole has been inactive since the
formation of the Work Teams early this year.  In fact some members of the
PPSC listed at
https://st.icann.org/icann-ppsc/index.cgi?policy_process_steering_committee_
ppsc, may not be members of the Council or even active in the community. 
> 
> What follows is my brief summary of the issues raised to the best of my
knowledge.  If I have misstated any of the arguments, I apologize in
advance, and would be happy to be corrected.  Essentially, the PDP WT is
recommending that 1 person be funded by ICANN staff from each constituency
to attend the face to face.  The NCSG has argued that there should be the
same number of representatives from each of the Stakeholder groups, which
would mean that if ICANN provides funding for the three CSG constituencies
to attend, then it should fund three reps from the NCSG, RySG and RrSG to
attend as well (as opposed to the recommended 1 from the NCSG, RySG and
RrSG).  The argument is that we have now reorganized into SGs and parity
should be provided on an SG basis as opposed to constituency basis, and that
the NCSG believes that this policy will exclude participation from the
noncommercial users.  It is important to note that neither the Registries
nor the Registrars have raised tho!
 se arguments nor do they agree with the NCSG view.
> 
> ICANN staff has responded to the NCSG stating that participation in the
PDP WT has never been exclusionary and that the Work Team has been open to
anyone wanting to participate on-line, in conference calls, etc.  However,
"enhancing participation on the WT does not equate to getting funded to
attend a particular F2F meeting. This WT has always been open for anyone to
participate and any group to be represented. Every effort has been made to
try to get input and participation from all Constituencies and Stakeholder
Groups, including by setting up surveys and requesting input on documents
and discussions. It is troubling to see that only funded travel seems to
drive a sudden need for 'adequate representation' while this interest level
seems to have been missing when it came to participation in the WT's
previous 20 calls and 3 surveys.  This F2F meeting is actually about genuine
participation and about bringing the discussions of those 20 calls and 3
surveys together into con!
 clusions so the public, the PPSC and the GNSO have a concrete initial draft
to consider."
> 
> As Chair of the PDP WT, my personal view, for what it is worth, is more in
line with ICANN staff's view.  I believe it is not the quantity of persons
funded to attend the face to face that should matter, but rather the
quality.  I need to do my job to make sure all view points are heard,
discussed, and addressed whether it is one person making the argument or
three.  The fact is that we have not had three reps from the NCSG
participate on a regular basis in the WT and to have three reps for the sake
of having an equal number of representatives to me does not make sense.  My
view is that the most important reason for requesting this face to face
meeting is to make progress on the work of the WT.  To introduce new players
into the process now, after a year's worth of calls, meetings, surveys,
reports, etc. at a face to face meeting for the first time may not be lend
itself to a productive meeting.  On the other hand, if the ICANN staff
and/or Council do decide that it is in !
 the best interest of the Internet Community to allow all SGs (including
Registries and Registrars by the way) to have 3 reps funded, then we will
need to ensure that those participants are up to speed on the work, have
read all of the materials, and that we do not recover old ground.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions.  I would be happy to make
myself available for the Council meeting to address any questions.
> 
> Thank you for your consideration of our request.
> 
> Jeffrey J. Neuman , PDP Work Team Chair
> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
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