RE: [gnso-ppsc-pdp] RE: [gnso-ppsc] question of conflict of interest

[Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am disappointed at the tone of this initiative. I have two thoughts on this 
after also listening to efforts by some on the Council to lessen the 
declaration of interests. I dont believe that the board members who chair 
committees are expected to be silent during board deliberations on a committee 
report.
 
and the second thought: I am not aware of support from the broader community to 
strip councilors of their ability to participate outside of Council on working 
activities of this nature, and I would find that regretable, should it happen. 
I also do not think that -- generally -- a sitting councilor will have a lot of 
spare time. :-) HOWEVER, this is a transitional period as one party comes into 
being on the Council, and has a sitting role on a working group regarding 
restructuring work. That group is completing its work. It seems strange, and 
unnecessary  to make this forced change.  
 
I do not support it, and find it unnecessary, and in fact, I do have concerns 
about making a change. 
 
Marilyn Cade

 
> Subject: Re: [gnso-ppsc-pdp] RE: [gnso-ppsc] question of conflict of interest
> From: avri@xxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:45:37 -0500
> CC: gnso-ppsc-pdp@xxxxxxxxx
> To: gnso-ppsc@xxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> PS.
> 
> I would like to point out, speaking of Chuck stepping down from the OSC.
> 
> I understand that soon Chuck will no longer have that conflict of interest 
> and spoke of having a lot of free time on his hands.
> 
> He also knows a lot about how PDPs work and don't work after his recent stint 
> as a GNSO Council member and chair.
> 
> He has been tracking the group's work as chair and is pretty much up to speed.
> 
> He has recently shown with the Rec6 that he knows how to get a group to work 
> quickly.
> 
> And coincidentally he was also a RySG member so there would not be change in 
> the balance of power.
> 
> And even more conveniently, he was also against the motion I supported to 
> close the PPSC and OSC.
> 
> So a change could be made if Jeff stepped down that would in most probability 
> not affect the work of the PPSc in any deleterious manner.
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> On 9 Dec 2010, at 07:24, Avri Doria wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On 9 Dec 2010, at 07:08, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
> > 
> >> I am going to refer this question to the icann staff. I do not share her 
> >> view that simply serving as the chair of the group should silence me 
> >> during any council discussions. That would be a first. Avri was never 
> >> silent in the Council discussions with any of the groups she chaired. 
> >> Neither is/was Olga, edmon, chuck, Alan and countless other councillors 
> >> silent on any of topics at the Council level for groups that they chaired. 
> >> I also want to note that Avri was given plenty of air time at the Council 
> >> meeting yesterday on defending the work of her groups, one of which she 
> >> chaired. Perhaps that too was improper? Also Avri's constant instant 
> >> messaging to the NCSG reps during the entire Council meeting also would be 
> >> suspect and in my opinion constitutes "participation" in the discussions 
> >> and would have to be banned on the topics/groups she chairs.
> >> 
> >> If I have to recuse myself from a vote, that would also be a first (given 
> >> the above groups), but I would be happy to get an opinion from staff on 
> >> that as well.
> > 
> >> I have to state for the record that the timing of this request is more 
> >> than suspect and comes less than an hour after a motion that she wanted 
> >> did not want passed unanimously.
> > 
> > My concern comes not from whether the motion was passed or not, but the way 
> > in which you acted while the motion was being discussed. Lots of things I 
> > disagree with are done by council members, so your accusations are 
> > unwarranted. But your accusations do represent the kind of problems you see 
> > when there is a conflict of interest. Now that you are on the council, and 
> > its leadership team, you need to hold yourself to a higher standard. 
> > 
> > Also this is more related to the new methods of behavior that are being 
> > established in this new managerial council and the ideas about the way to 
> > run working groups, then it is on the history of the old council.
> > 
> > Also Alan does not have a vote in the council. Chuck stepped down as chair 
> > of the OSC when a similar issue was brought up last year, that is why 
> > Philip is now the char of the OSC. In regards to Olga, she is not chairing 
> > a Standing Committee, but had I been paying attention to her WT I may have 
> > had similar remarks - though the identity of WT as just subgroups in the SC 
> > might have some effect on the subject. In the PDP WT however, the decisions 
> > was for the chair of the PPSC to al chair the Wt, while the alternate chair 
> > covers the WG WT. Thus chairing the PDP Wt is a function of you being chair 
> > of the PPSC.
> > 
> > I just do not believe that having SCs or WGs by council members, especially 
> > its leadership team is an accountable process and believe that it cause 
> > conflicts of interests. There needs to be a separation between the managers 
> > and those who are managed for there to be accountability.
> > 
> > a.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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