RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop outline

["Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>]

Greg,

I don't have any objection with considering the practices/experiences of 
non-contracted parties.  In fact, I suggested it during our last call.

However, I don't believe your proposed suggestion is accurate. To the best of 
my recollection, the relevant sections of the issue report (e.g., those 
outlining additional areas of research) do not refer to parties other than 
contracted parties or abusers.  If my recollection is correct (Marika, would 
you please check?), your suggestion would essentially revise the issues report. 
 I don't think we should do that.

One workaround is to simply add another sentence that says something to the 
effect of "The drafting group recommends that the scope of additional research 
be broadened to include the current practices of relevant parties other than 
contracted parties and abusers, namely, . . . . "

K

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Aaron [mailto:gaaron@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Rosette, Kristina; gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop 
outline

Dear all:

James touched on a good concept, which is that the environment/context in which 
registration abuses must be studied (not just the practices of the contracted 
parties and the abusers).  The roles of law enforcement, security responders, 
brand management companies, ISPs, etc. may be relevant and important to 
understand.  Some of those do mitigation, some do not.

So I propose the following, which mentions that there are various parties, and 
avoids the mitigation topic:

<snip>

Additional research and identifying concrete policy issues - The issues report 
outlines a number of areas where additional research would be needed in order 
to fully appreciate the current practices of relevant parties (including 
abusers, and contracted and non-contracted parties), and the scope of problems 
that exist in relation to registration abuse, including research to:
....

</snip>

With best wishes,
--Greg Aaron


-----Original Message-----
From: Rosette, Kristina [mailto:krosette@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:19 PM
To: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop 
outline

All,

Attached are my suggested revisions in clean and redline form. 

I made the change that James suggested in #1 below, and addressed his #2 by 
flipping the order to "contracted parties and abusers."  I don't recall that 
the issues report was limited to mitigation so didn't incorporate that 
suggestion.  As for point 3, it wasn't covered in the issues report, which is 
what the relevant section is referencing, so I didn't include it there.
I did include it in the panel outline; it tracked our discussion from our last 
call.

I'd very much like to reach agreement by list - if possible.  My Friday will be 
awful and not having our call would be a big help.

K



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of James M. Bladel
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:39 PM
To: Marika Konings
Cc: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop 
outline


Marika et al:

Apologies for the delayed response.

My only concern would be with respect to the first sentence under the heading 
"Additional research and identifying concrete policy issues."

Towards the middle of this sentence, the existing text reads:
  "...additional research would be needed in order to fully appreciate the 
current practices of abusers and contracting parties..."

Suggested edits:

1.  Change "contracting" to "contracted"

2.  The general proximity of "abusers and contracted parties" probably needs 
additional qualification to distinguish the problem (abusers) from potential 
solutions (contracted parties).  I would suggest adding "mitigation efforts"
before "contracted parties."

3.  Non-contracted parties, such as (but not limited to) security firms, ISPs, 
hosting companies, etc., also make significant contributions to addressing 
post-registration abuse.  If we wish to acknowledge this here, we could add 
"and other organizations" after "contracted parties."

4.  Taken together, the amended sentence would read:

   "The issues report outlines a number of areas where additional research 
would be needed in order to fully appreciate the current practices of abusers, 
and mitigation efforts of contracted parties and other organizations, and the 
scope of problems that exist...."

Also, I noted that this topic is also mentioned on pg.3 when describing the 
proposed topics for the Workshop.  Items #1 and #2 from my list are not 
applicable here, but if we desire to include the efforts of non-contracted 
organizations in the workshop topics, we should also do so here.

Thank you--

J.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop outline
From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, January 20, 2009 10:22 am
To: "gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx>

 For your review - Updated Charter and workshop outline Dear All,
 
 Please find attached an updated version of the charter and workshop outline 
incorporating the comments and suggestions discussed and received. As outlined 
below, in order to get this to the GNSO Council for consideration on their next 
meeting, the group would need to finalize this document by COB January 21 
January. Please share your comments and suggestions with the list. Also 
indicate if you need more time in order to review this document.
 
 I have attached both a redline version as well as a clean copy.
 
 With best regards,
 
 Marika
 
 ------ Forwarded Message
 From: Liz Gasster <liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx>
 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:45:18 -0800
 To: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, <gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
 Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] RE: Registration Abuse Policies drafting team
MP3 January 16, 2009
 
 
 
 All,
 
 On our call today, the group discussed edits to the draft charter that Marika 
sent earlier this week.  A new draft will be circulated on Monday, 
incorporating edits that Mike sent to the list and others we discussed.
 
 The group decided to try to finalize the proposed charter on the list by COB 
January 21 so that the Council could consider the proposal at its
29 January meeting, based on progress made to-date.  This is earlier than we 
originally estimated on our first call.  This means that we will need your 
input and sign-off on the new documents by next Wednesday.  If the group finds 
that further work is needed before we can finalize, then we will decide on 
email if we should revert to the previously decided target of 12 Feb (for 19 
Feb. Council meeting).
 
 The group also discussed the SSAC paper and invitation, and planning for a 
workshop in Mexico.  Current thinking on those areas will be reflected in the 
revision we send on Monday. 
 
 For those NOT on today's call, please let us know ASAP if you have any 
concerns about this approach.
 
 Thanks, Liz
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:06 AM
 To: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
 Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] Registration Abuse Policies drafting team MP3 January 
16, 2009
 
 
 Dear All,
 
 Please find the MP3 recording of the Registration Abuse Policies drafting team 
held on Friday 16 January 2009 at 15:00 UTC at:
 http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rap-20090116.mp3
 On page:
 http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#jan
 
 Present for the teleconference:
 Greg Aaron - Registry C.
 Mike Rodenbaugh - CBUC
 Kristina Rosette - IPC
 Olga Cavalli - NCA
 
 Absent apologies:
 James Bladel - Godaddy RRc
 
 Staff:
 Marika Konings
 Liz Gasster
 Glen de Saint Gery - GNSO Secretariat
 
 Thank you and let me know if you have any questions.
 Kind regards,
 Glen
 
 
 Glen de Saint Géry
 GNSO Secretariat
 gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 http://gnso.icann.org
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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