Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois

[Susan Kawaguchi <susank@xxxxxx>]

I agree with with Alan. Most of the topics being discussed are beyond our
mandate and irrelevant to the question at hand which is whether we
recommend switching from a thin whois model to a thick whois model.


Susan Kawaguchi
Domain Name Manager
Facebook Legal Dept.

Phone - 650 485-6064





On 1/29/13 10:39 AM, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>I agree on all of these principles, but do not understand the
>relevance to thick/thin Whois model. Why does the registry holding a
>copy of the data WHICH IS ALREADY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE alter anything?
>Privacy is still protected by the original registrar or proxy
>provider based on the laws in their jurisdiction.
>
>An organization that works on gay issues can register in a country
>and with a registrar that will hide their identity under multiple
>levels and will even defend a UDRP if necessary, without unmasking
>the original registrant". All that will show up in the registry
>database is the top proxy provider - exactly what the registrar would
>show in its Whois output in the thin model.
>
>I do note that as alluded to above, that most proxy providers will
>unmask the original registrant as soon as a UDRP is filed, even if
>that UDRP might have little merit. And even if the UDRP is lost, the
>original registrant's name will be published in the public report on
>the UDRP. I have never heard of anyone fighting to change that rule!
>
>Alan
>
>At 29/01/2013 01:01 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>
>>I disagree.  There are institutions, such a battered spouse
>>organizations or organizations of gay activists in most of the world
>>that can't afford to have their information made public.
>>
>>One example: I am a member and activist volunteer of APC,
>>Association for Progressive Communications - an Internet Human
>>Rights group.  Its chair, who used to be the person listed in the
>>WHOIS, has gotten phone calls and email death threats based on her
>>WHOIS info, and has submitted statement on that at some point - I
>>will try to dig it up.
>>
>>Another example: Just recently Russia passed rule that makes any
>>publication related to gay community or people is considered
>>criminal.  should those organization that work on gay issues be
>>barred from protection because the country that holds the thick
>>registry does not guarantee protection for organization of
>>endangered peoples?  Better they should have the option of
>>registering with a registrar in a country that values and protects
>>privacy not only for individuals, but for the organizations of
>>endangered users.
>>
>>avri
>