Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Susan,

this process is somewhat flawed as it requires a formal complaint before 
a registrar is able to invoke the process. In other words, we need to 
get sued first by the data protection officials before we may request a 
change in how we can operate the whois. From my perspective, we are 
operating in a grey area when it comes to whois services in the EU.
Volker
> ICANN has a policy/process in place to manage a situation in which the
> registrar/registry has a conflict with local law.
>
> ICANN Procedure For Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law,
> http://www.icann.org/en/processes/icann-procedure-17jan08.htm
>
>
> The Whois review team reviewed this policy and discussed it with ICANN
> extensively.  There were a couple of registries ( I will have to look back
> on my notes to find which ones) that went through this process with ICANN
> but it has not been used widely by any means.
>
> Susan Kawaguchi
> Domain Name Manager
> Facebook Legal Dept.
>
> Phone - 650 485-6064
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/29/13 12:28 PM, "Ray Fassett" <ray@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I am pretty sure .CAT is an example of a thick registry that does not
> > broadcast to the world all thick data it receives from registrars.  Will
> > they need to, such as in the case of a consensus policy requiring them to?
> > I don't know.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:29 PM
> > To: Thick Whois
> > Subject: Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does this mean that registrars won't need to give true and full personal
> > details to the registries under a thick whois regime?  Or that the
> > registry
> > won't need to broadcast this information to the world?
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 Jan 2013, at 11:18, Ray Fassett wrote:
> >
> > > The registry can only republish the registrant information provided to
> > > it by the sponsoring registrar of the registration, which I think is
> > > to Alan's point of the registry "holding a copy".  This is true in the
> > > thick registry model in all cases.
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan
> > > Greenberg
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:40 PM
> > > To: Avri Doria; Thick Whois
> > > Subject: Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree on all of these principles, but do not understand the
> > > relevance to thick/thin Whois model. Why does the registry holding a
> > > copy of the data WHICH IS ALREADY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE alter anything?
> > > Privacy is still protected by the original registrar or proxy provider
> > > based on the laws in their jurisdiction.
> > >
> > > An organization that works on gay issues can register in a country and
> > > with a registrar that will hide their identity under multiple levels
> > > and will even defend a UDRP if necessary, without unmasking the original
> > registrant".
> > > All that will show up in the registry database is the top proxy
> > > provider - exactly what the registrar would show in its Whois output in
> > the thin model.
> > > I do note that as alluded to above, that most proxy providers will
> > > unmask the original registrant as soon as a UDRP is filed, even if
> > > that UDRP might have little merit. And even if the UDRP is lost, the
> > > original registrant's name will be published in the public report on
> > > the UDRP. I have never heard of anyone fighting to change that rule!
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > At 29/01/2013 01:01 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I disagree.  There are institutions, such a battered spouse
> > > > organizations or organizations of gay activists in most of the world
> > > > that can't afford to have their information made public.
> > > >
> > > > One example: I am a member and activist volunteer of APC, Association
> > > > for Progressive Communications - an Internet Human Rights group.  Its
> > > > chair, who used to be the person listed in the WHOIS, has gotten
> > > > phone calls and email death threats based on her WHOIS info, and has
> > > > submitted statement on that at some point - I will try to dig it up.
> > > >
> > > > Another example: Just recently Russia passed rule that makes any
> > > > publication related to gay community or people is considered criminal.
> > > > should those organization that work on gay issues be barred from
> > > > protection because the country that holds the thick registry does not
> > > > guarantee protection for organization of endangered peoples?  Better
> > > > they should have the option of registering with a registrar in a
> > > > country that values and protects privacy not only for individuals,
> > > > but for the organizations of endangered users.
> > > >
> > > > avri

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