[gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] MP3 Thick Whois PDP Working Group - Tuesday 30 April 2013 at 14:00 UTC

[Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

The next  Thick Whois PDP Working Group call will be held on Tuesday 07 May at 
1400 UTC.

Please find the MP3 recording of the Thick Whois PDP Working Group call held on 
Tuesday 30 April 2013 at 14:00 UTC at:

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-thick-whois-20130430-en.mp3

On page:  
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#apr<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#mars>apr>


The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/



Attendees:
Marc Anderson – RySG
Roy Balleste – NCUC
Don Blumenthal – RySG
Avri Doria - NCSG
Alan Greenberg – ALAC
Volker Greimann – RrSG
Carolyn Hoover - RySG
Marie-Laure Lemineur – NPOC
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP
Jill Titzer – RrSG
Rick Wesson - Individual
Jonathan Zuck – IPC


Apologies:
Amr Elsadr – NCSG
Evan Leibovitch - ALAC


ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Berry Cobb
Lars Hoffmann
Julia Charvolen


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


Mailing list archives:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg/


Wiki page:
https://community.icann.org/x/whgQAg



Thank you.
Kind regards,
Julia Charvolen
For GNSO Secretariat


Adobe Chat Transcript for 30 April 2013:
Marika Konings:Welcome to the 'thick' Whois PDP WG Meeting of 30 April 2013
  Julia Charvolen:Avri Doria joined the meeting
  Marc Anderson:test
  Jill Titzer:I can
  Mike O'Connor:hello?
  Carolyn Hoover:test
  marie-laure lemineur:testing
  Alan Greenberg:I can type...
  Avri Doria:Well this could have an effect if Registrars cared about trying to 
use their national privacy rights as a way to differentiate their services.  
But since they don't seem to have that concern, it is probably not a concern.
  Julia Charvolen:Jonathan Zuck joined the meeting
  Marika Konings:@Steve, you may want to try logging out / in to Adobe Connect 
to see if that makes any difference
  steve metalitz 2:Test
  Alan Greenberg:You got it!
  Julia Charvolen:test for Steve
  Rick Wesson:http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/whois-info-extension.pdf
  Jill Titzer:I will be happy to see too from registrar perspective
  steve metalitz 2:signing in/out seems to have fixed it, thanks Marika
  Julia Charvolen:Volker Greimann joined the meeting
  Volker:apologies for my delay and the missing of the last meeting
  steve metalitz 2:Agree with Alan that privacy group is very close
  Julia Charvolen:Don Blumenthal joined the meeting
  Rick Wesson:please enqueue me
  Marika Konings:Would 'Access to Whois data' be a suitable replacement for the 
current title?
  steve metalitz 2:I think so Marika.
  Alan Greenberg:The lose ability to rate limit through Port 43 (if they donot 
offer it. Still there for web-based.
  Avri Doria:Excuse the ignorant question: does thick whois mean that 
Registrars no longer need to do whois?
  Volker:we will do web based whois
  Volker:and maintain the data in our databases, escrow it.
  Alan Greenberg:They are no longer required to offer port 43 based on new raa. 
They still could if they wished
  Volker:the only thing that has been eliminiated is port 43 access in thick 
registries (where the registry serves that whois)
  Avri Doria:but there is not requirement to do anything else, just opportunity?
  Volker:correct, and I would argue that at least for European registrars, the 
voluntary dissemination of data beyond what is required is problematic
  Avri Doria:indeed
  Avri Doria:if they ae not required to ofer port 43, why would they?
  Alan Greenberg:They are not likely to (in my opinion). But I don't beleive 
there is an ICANN rule that they can't
  Avri Doria:I guess we could have a special service: come to this registry we 
publicize all your private data for the world to see.
  Avri Doria:.. come to this registrar ...
  Alan Greenberg:There already is such a service (in general including proxy 
privacy/proxy services.It is called a UDRP complaint.
  Volker:Avri: that wouldn't be .public, would it?
  Avri Doria:determing what SHOULD/MUST be private for individuals becomes more 
complex all the time.  Going to need a p
  Avri Doria:...a PDP on what needs to public, when and where.
  Alan Greenberg:I assume that the PDP which follows the Whois Expert Grp will 
have to address that.
  Avri Doria:you know what the say about "assume"  this is ICANN the only thing 
we can asume is the counter-assumuption
  Avri Doria:iif we beleive we need a PDP on privacy rights of individuals we 
need to recommend it.
  Alan Greenberg:Certainly one way, but I cannot imagine another PDP on Whis 
being charted in parallel (or before). Trick is to make sure (or try to) that 
the final IR covers it.
  Avri Doria:Alan, I agree the parallelism might be harmful.
  Alan Greenberg:And masochistic.
  Alan Greenberg:Or perhaps sadistic depending on who pushes for it.
  Avri Doria:but this group can recommend with a contingent timing.
  Avri Doria:Alan, everything we do in ICANN is both S and M.
  Volker:it is not
  Avri Doria:I tink we should talk through at least the top part of the 
conversation on thie fuul team
  Volker:definitely not
  Volker:(commenting to Mikey, not Avri)
  Avri Doria:i would love to listen in
  Marc Anderson:Yes, I would participate
  Julia Charvolen:The chat will be posted with the MP3 email
  marie-laure lemineur:thks.