[gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] MP3 Thick Whois PDP Working Group - Tuesday 07 May 2013 at 14:00 UTC

[Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

The next  Thick Whois PDP Working Group call will be held on Tuesday 14 May at 
1400 UTC.

Please find the MP3 recording of the Thick Whois PDP Working Group call held on 
Tuesday 07 May 2013 at 14:00 UTC at:

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-thick-whois-20130507-en.mp3

On page:  http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#may


The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/



Attendees:
Marc Anderson - RySG
Don Blumenthal - RySG
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
Volker Greimann - RrSG
Carolyn Hoover - RySG
Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Mikey O'Connor - ISPCP
Jill Titzer - RrSG
Amr Elsadr - NCSG
Illiya Bazlyankov - RrSG
Tim Ruiz - RrSG
Frederic Guillemaut - RrSG


Apologies:
Avri Doria - NCSG
Susan Prosser - RrSG
Christopher George -
Evan Leibovitch - ALAC


ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Berry Cobb
Lars Hoffmann
Nathalie Peregrine


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


Mailing list archives:
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Wiki page:
https://community.icann.org/x/whgQAg



Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie Peregrine
For GNSO Secretariat


Adobe Chat Transcript for 07 May 2013:


Marika Konings:Welcome to the 'thick' Whois PDP Working Group Meeting of 7 May 
2013

  Amr Elsadr:Hi..., just joined the call.

  Amr Elsadr:Sorry..., am I early?! :) My clock says we're 2 minutes after the 
hour.

  Amr Elsadr:Cool. Thnx.

  Volker Greimann:hello

  Volker Greimann:still need to dial in

  Alan Greenberg:I'm on. not sure if I made it before role call

  Nathalie  Peregrine:You were on the roll call

  Nathalie  Peregrine:ANd Frederic Guillemaut has joined the call

  Don Blumenthal - Public Interest Registry:Either the person went on mute or 
the dog won.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Illiya Bazlyankov has joined the call

  Alan Greenberg:Something about sleeping dogs?

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Carolyn Hoover has just joined the AC room

  Carolyn Hoover:Sorry - unexpected meeting...

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Tim Ruiz has joined th call

  Tim Ruiz:Sorry to join so late.

  Tim Ruiz:Regarding Carolyn's comment: Having thick Whois data provides 
opportunities for additional registry services that are not available to thin 
registries. So a major registry like .com becoming thick may have some 
competition issues. I think that is worth at least pointing out.

  Marc Anderson:Tim, do you have an example on what kind of registry service a 
Thick Registry could offer that a thin registry could not?

  Tim Ruiz:In addition to my previous comment, the transition of 120 million 
domains will certianly hae an impact on cost, but that is something to note 
elsewhere.

  Tim Ruiz:Privacy, aftermarket domian services, other possibly direct to 
consumer services.

  Tim Ruiz:It may be limited to some extent by their agreement with ICANN or 
their agreement with registrars, but the latter can certainly be changed.

  Tim Ruiz:I am not advocating that these are reasons not to go thick ( I 
personally think thick is good),

  Marc Anderson:Tim, I think you make some good points.  Could you post that 
via email following the meeting?

  Tim Ruiz:Sure.

  Carolyn Hoover:Yes - this is the type of information that I was thinking 
might be out there.

  Alan Greenberg:The main gist is that there *may* be issues wrt privacy in the 
future, but those issues will apply to other gTLDs as as well, and thus will 
need to be addressed by ICANN. The agreement of the RrSG implies that they 
perceive no IMMEDIATE issue. So although privacy issues may become a 
substantive issue in the future, and should certainly be part of the 
investigation of a replacement for Whois, it is not a reason to proceed with 
this PDP WG recommending thick Whois for all.

  Alan Greenberg:Correct version:

  Alan Greenberg:The main gist is that there *may* (or probably?) be issues 
with respect to privacy in the future, but those issues will apply to other 
gTLDs as well, and thus will need to be addressed by ICANN. Existing Ry policy 
and practice allow flexibility when needed, and the new RAA provides similar 
options for registrars. The agreement of the RrSG implies that they perceive no 
IMMEDIATE issue. So although privacy issues may become a substantive issue in 
the future, and should certainly be part of the investigation of a replacement 
for Whois, it is not a reason to not proceed with this PDP WG recommending 
thick Whois for all.

  steve metalitz:I basically agree with Alan's summary.

  Amr Elsadr:I agree with Don. I read this paper as applicable to both existing 
and future.

  Amr Elsadr:...existing and future gTLDs.

  marie-laure lemineur:agree with Don and Marc's comments

  Don Blumenthal - Public Interest Registry:Good point. Thick could simplify 
might some of the jurisdictional questions.

  Don Blumenthal - Public Interest Registry:Gee thanks

  Amr Elsadr:One more tip of the hat to Don in his effort for this ST.

  steve metalitz:+1 @ Amr

  marie-laure lemineur:+1@Amr

  Volker Greimann:registrar escrow is free

  Frederic Guillemaut - Mailclub:but not the developpement for escrowing

  Volker Greimann:of course

  Volker Greimann:just the actual cost of the service provider is zero.

  Frederic Guillemaut - Mailclub:in fact registrar escrow is paid for by icann 
no ?

  Tim Ruiz:Agree with Alan.

  Tim Ruiz:thanks mikey

  Amr Elsadr:Thanks everyone.

  marie-laure lemineur: thks. bye