Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] RE: For your review - revised version of the 'thick' Whois Initial Report
I agree with Steve, some of these changes are more confusing, such as the addition in lines 428/429. I don't even remember this having been raised. The additions in the authoritativeness section are in my opinion not without merit, however I would suggest leaving them out of the initial report until we have had a chance to discuss them in detail (incidentally, it would be my view that a modification on the registrar level that has not yet been reported to the registry level in a thick whois would simply mean this is a "pending" update, i.e. the update only becomes effective once the registry updates their whois). All in all, I feel our aim at this stage should be polishing the language on the remaining open issues, finalizing the report and maybe, just maybe post it a few days ahead of the deadline. Nothing is gained by raising new issues at this stage. There is time for that after we move beyond the initial report. Volker Marika and colleagues,I had certainly had the sense that we were reducing the number of open issues as we proceed closer to issuance of our draft report, so I was disappointed to see so many new issues thrown on the table in your latest version.On pages 18-19 (the version attached to your e-mail had no line numbers) I see some observations about problematic provisions in existing agreements or inconsistencies between what registries and registrars are required to do under their respective agreements. Assuming these observations are accurate, it is important to capture them, but I wonder whether inserting them into this document will be distracting or confusing to the reader who may conclude that they have a bearing on the overall issue we have been asked to consider.As the coordinator of the authoritativeness subgroup, it was not reassuring to see so many proposed edits to this text, which has been quite stable for several weeks now. The edits on page 33 and footnote 20 make me wonder whether their author is confusing authoritativeness with accuracy or perhaps with currentness of data. These are 2 or actually 3 distinct issues. One of the problems with the status quo is that a great deal of Whois data held by registrars is authoritative (because there is no other source for it) but frequently inaccurate (as well documented in the NORC and other studies). The frequency with which data is updated might make it more accurate (though not so when inaccurate data is updated with new inaccurate data, a common occurrence in the current WDPRS, or even when accurate data is updated with inaccurate data) but it does not make that data any more or less authoritative under the definitions provided in the text of this report.On page 24, I am not sure where the idea came from that registrars stop publishing Whois data in a thick registry environment. They continue to publish this data as before. Under the proposed 2013 RAA, one channel of this publication (Port 43) would no longer be required, but it would still need to be made available via website.I have discussed with Don the issue I raised at the end of our last call (the reference to safe harbors which appears on page 44 of the text you circulated). We did not reach agreement but I decided to set the issue aside in order to expedite our progress toward a draft report. I guess I have to wonder now whether we are really making forward progress or are circling back on issues that seemed pretty stable a few weeks ago.Steve Metalitz*From:*owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Marika Konings*Sent:* Saturday, June 01, 2013 6:22 AM *To:* gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx*Subject:* [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] For your review - revised version of the 'thick' Whois Initial ReportDear All,Please find attached for your review an updated version of the Initial Report which incorporates the changes discussed on Tuesday's meeting as well as some additional proposed edits / comments provided by some of my colleagues (most of these are clarifications / corrections). To facilitate review I've accepted all the changes from the previous version. There may be some additional comments forthcoming, but I already wanted to share this version with you to allow sufficient time to review and highlight any other substantive comments that should be considered by the WG prior to the next meeting.With best regards, Marika*From: *Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>>*Date: *Tuesday 28 May 2013 20:24*To: *"gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx>" <gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx>> *Subject: *[gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Final call - please share any substantive comments on the Initial Report by 4 JuneDear All,As discussed during today's meeting, please share any substantive comments you have on the latest version of the Initial Report (see attached) ahead of the next meeting (Tuesday 4 June). 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