RE: [Fwd: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Travel drafting team mailing list open]

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Avri wrote:
> Or, how do we define need? If I were a millionaire, but had no 
> employer to send me would I be in need of support? If I have an 
> employer, but they are in bankruptcy proceedings, do I have need?

Those questions get to my point about constituencies supporting
themselves. It's not about a single individual's financial ability,
or about their specific employer's financial situation. It's about
the membership of the constituency as a whole and whether or not
it is financially capable of funding its operation and 
participation within the process. If, for good reason, it is not,
then that is an issue for a broader consideration regarding
financial assistance. 

For example, if it is deemed vital to the best interests of ICANN 
to have a registrants' constituency but funding its participation 
is an issue, it may be decided that a certain level of financial 
support is appropriate. But that should be decided on a 
constituency by constituency basis, not on an individual 
participant basis.


Tim 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Travel drafting team mailing
list open]
From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, October 09, 2008 3:00 pm
To: gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx



On 9 Oct 2008, at 12:32, Tim Ruiz wrote:

> If we have to resort to random selection or giggle tests, then we have
> no business accepting the funds.
>


I personally see no relation between the utility of a random method of 
selecting after the constituencies are determined their priorities and 
the notion of meriting support for council member travel.

> Ken's ideas are the best way
> forward, or at least a good start,


Can you explain how his ideas would work in a way that was assuredly 
unbiased and objective?

Some questions that immediately occur to me:

How would you eliminate the ability of someone to put pressure on one 
of those selected for this independent committee? What does it mean 
for there to be an independent committee within ICANN? Can members of 
GNSO constituencies serve on this independent committee? How are 
these committee members chosen? Is their work transparent?


As for getting beyond the giggle test in determining need, how does 
one do that. What sort of verification of someone's need will be 
required? The get a loan for my daughter's college i had to prove 
need and todo so had to fill out the FAFSA ( see
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/before012.htm 
for a sample worksheet). Are you suggesting something similar. If 
not, how do you prove need?

Or, how do we define need? If I were a millionaire, but had no 
employer to send me would I be in need of support? If I have an 
employer, but they are in bankruptcy proceedings, do I have need?

I believe these and many other similar questions would need to be 
answered for there to be an objective set of criteria that could not 
be gamed or be subjected to influence.


a.

note: for those who may not know the giggle test. Basically someone 
says "I have need", and if they can say it without most people 
starting to giggle, then that need statement i accepted.