Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Very clear, thanks Jeff.

Stéphane

Le 11 avr. 2010 à 00:42, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :

> You are mischaracterizing my views.  The point I have been making all along 
> is that if the argument is that we need to open everything up to allow 
> innovation and all of the economic arguments that go with that, then we need 
> to look at the whole equation.  The same economists that will tell you VI at 
> the registry level will increase competition and innovation are the same that 
> will tell you that equall access requirements and having to use only 
> distributors provided to you by ICANN will stifle that same innovation and 
> consumer benefits.
> 
> Many registrars in this group want to change only one side of the equation 
> and not the other.  Either we change both sides or we change neither, but it 
> should not be one way.
> 
> MY comments below relate to the single registrant TLD and for those small 
> subset of TLDs, I do question whether there needs to be the tradition 
> registrars (or even traditional registries for that matter). 
> 
> 
> Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
> Vice President, Law & Policy
> NeuStar, Inc.
> Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx <owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Vertical Integration <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sat Apr 10 18:08:53 2010
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
> 
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> It seems clear that in your opinion, registries would be better off not 
> having to deal with registrars at all. Please correct me if I am 
> mischaracterizing your views.
> 
> If I am correct in my reading of your views, I am constantly surprised by 
> these views as your portray them, and as they seem to be direct attacks on 
> the very sales network which enables your company and other gTLD registries 
> to market its TLDs.
> 
> But of course, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion on the subject. The 
> only question I have is whether that opinion is strictly personal, a 
> portrayal of Neustar's take on registrars, or the opinion of the registry 
> stakeholder group as a whole?
> 
> Sorry if you have been asked this before, but I am still unclear on this.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 9 avr. 2010 à 19:24, Avri Doria a écrit :
> 
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> But, the attacking the issue of equivalent access is a different matter.  
>> The would be a reopening of R19, even by my standards.
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2010, at 13:04, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
>> 
>>> Or better yet, allow a registry to not have to use those resellers that 
>>> don’t act in the TLDs’ best interest.  Or allow them to pick and choose 
>>> which retailers to use giving some more preferential treatment than others 
>>> depending on how those resellers act.  Allow them to reward those resellers 
>>> that provide better service to consumers than others and to terminate those 
>>> that do not.
>>> 
>>> Both sides of the equation must be dealt with……
>>> 
>>> Jeffrey J. Neuman 
>>> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
>>> 
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>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>>> On Behalf Of Jeff Eckhaus
>>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:45 PM
>>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree with you on this. It is frustrating when a supplier lowers their 
>>> prices to differentiate themselves, but the retailers do not follow suit. 
>>> To make matters worse the retailer just lumps them in with everyone else 
>>> and raises prices.
>>> Wow, wouldn’t it be great if that supplier could do something about it?
>>> 
>>> What if the supplier were able to reach out to end users, consumers, and 
>>> let them know that their product is different, lower priced and guess what, 
>>> you could purchase it directly from a retail store the supplier has set up.
>>> 
>>> This is the world we live in with almost every industry and that is the 
>>> world of unlimited Cross Ownership.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>>> On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
>>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:00 AM
>>> To: Avri Doria; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Avri,
>>> 
>>> With respect to this point: 
>>> 
>>> "For example, have there been cases where a registry lowered its fees, and 
>>> the regisrar did not in turn lower theirs to the consumer but absorbd the 
>>> profit?"
>>> 
>>> The answer is YES.  Registries have lowered fees and registrars have not 
>>> passed those lowering of fees through to consumers.  See 
>>> http://www.icann.org/correspondence/switzer-to-twomey-23nov08.pdf.  In 
>>> early 2008, Neustar intentionally decided not to raise its fees to 
>>> registrars when most of the other registries raised their rates.  Despite 
>>> this, every registrar not only raised the rates of the other TLDs (that 
>>> increased their wholesale rates), but also raised the rates for .biz 
>>> (despite the fact that we did not raise ours).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeffrey J. Neuman
>>> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
>>> 
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>>> On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:49 AM
>>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9 Apr 2010, at 08:17, Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbH wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Allowing all nGTLD applicants to bypass the registrar system would 
>>>> effectively lead us back to the domain business we had a decade ago, which 
>>>> is IMHO definitely not in the interest of the consumer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Humility* aside, please explain why this is.  I would like to understand 
>>> how this has helped consumers and how that benefit has been measured.
>>> 
>>> I have heard different theories about whether the current modality has 
>>> helped consumers or whether it was even necessary - so leaving aside for 
>>> the moment the subject of whether it helps or hinders innovation and 
>>> creativity, please show evidence for the ways in which having separate 
>>> Registrars has benefited consumers. 
>>> 
>>> For example, have there been cases where a registry lowered its fees, and 
>>> the regisrar did not in turn lower theirs to the consumer but absorbd the 
>>> profit?
>>> I also am not sure I understand how any middleman who ads to the price, 
>>> benefits users unless they are offering some value add service.  So what 
>>> service have the registrars aded that was not doable by the Registries, 
>>> especially now that registries have effectively split into registry service 
>>> providers (RSP) and registry owners (RO) and we have full service resellers.
>>> 
>>> I really do not care too much about how the mountains of profit gained from 
>>> these consumers are split between the Registry Service Providers, Registry 
>>> owners, Registrars and Resellers - what I care about, in this instance, is 
>>> showing why having the Registrars, with the add on costs to the consumer in 
>>> their role as middlemen, has been a protector and a benefit to the consumer.
>>> 
>>> Again, I expect you can show this quite clearly and I expect that at the 
>>> end of the explanation we will most all accept the importance of having 
>>> registrars, I just think it would be helpful to have it explained.
>>> 
>>> a.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * the humility in question is the H in IMHO, for those who may not know the 
>>> acronym: IMHO, In My Humble Opinion,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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