RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points -- pls review/comment within 24 hours

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

GNSO policy WGs do not make up their own rules and processes. They are
formed as a result of an action of Council and communicate with Council,
not directly with the Board. That said, those on the Board that follow
this list just saw your post anyway. 


Tim

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> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points
> -- pls review/comment within 24 hours
> From: Sébastien Bachollet<sebastien@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, October 26, 2010 2:26 pm
> To: <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "'Gomes, Chuck'" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,        "'Ron Andruff'"
> <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,        "'Margie Milam'"
> <Margie.Milam@xxxxxxxxx>,        "'Mike O'Connor'" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>,   
>     "'Roberto Gaetano'" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> 
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> Hello,
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> proposal changes (I am agree with), I suggest the following 4 bullet points to
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> Compliance is key (the working group spent a considerable amount of time
> discussing the issue).  Whatever the rules established for the new TLDs, we
> need adequate leadership, reasonable goals, appropriate levels of
> staffing, risk informed processes and resources in place to enforce
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> There is no consensus on full vertical integration, complete vertical
> separation, or any hybrid proposal to date
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> We have compiled a list of potential harms that may be associated with either
> complete separation or complete integration. We have not finalized the list, 
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> owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] De la
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> Envoyé : mercredi 27 octobre 2010 01:54
> À : Ron Andruff; Margie Milam; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Objet : RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's
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> My personal reasoning was very simple:  A simple and brief
> communication listing the summary points that are supported by the WG could be
> helpful to the Board if it was received before the Board meeting on 28 
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> if such a communication is sent to the Council and then to the Board, then it
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> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:53 AM
> To: 'Margie Milam'; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points
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> Perhaps Chuck might weigh in on this to clarify the matter, but my
> written comment (below) reported what was discussed with the GNSO Chairman in
> this regard.  (Sorry if I put words into your mouth, Margie.  Not
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> I checked with the GNSO Chair regarding the reporting chain and he
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> Council to forward to the Board, etc.  It can go direct).
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> To be clear, I am pushing this closure for the sole reason of
> finishing this phase of the work in a responsible manner.  The next phase
> and who will be involved in it is separate matter.
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> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Margie Milam
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:28 AM
> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points
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> Just to clarify my comments-  I did not indicate that
> something needs to be sent to the Board from the VI WG at this
> time.   My point was that the public comments need to be properly
> evaluated and included in the Final Report, which would be sent to the GNSO
> Council upon completion of the Phase I work.  The GNSO Council would then
> decide whether to approve of the recommendations (if any) and/or to  send
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> Best Regards, 
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> Margie Milam
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> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 5:15 AM
> To: Tim Ruiz
> Cc: Ron Andruff; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx; Neuman,Jeff; mike@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points
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> Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points
> -- pls review/comment within 24 hours
> From: "Ron Andruff" 
> Date: Mon, October 25, 2010 5:07 pm
> To: "'Neuman, Jeff'" , "'Tim
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> nail down that final report this week, in my view, so that we establish a
> definitive VI WG line for the Board and GNSO Council before their next
> meetings.  Staff have intimated to the Council that the October 28th Board
> meeting will be decision-making time for the final AG, so the Board needs to
> get our input as soon as possible considering they will be meeting Thursday in
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> meeting on the same day.]  We don't need full consensus on this, and I believe
> that the majority of WG would support a final report that included the details
> of Roberto's email of today.  I checked with the GNSO Chair regarding the
> reporting chain and he is of the opinion that a singular message sent to PdT,
> KP and GNSO Chair is the way forward (i.e., we needn't get back into the issue
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> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 5:27 PM
> To: Tim Ruiz; mike@xxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points
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> Jeffrey J. Neuman 
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