RE: [gnso-whois-wg] A few questions

[Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Eric,

Perhaps we should be investigating whether the
purposes of competition would be served by having all
registries become "thick" registries so that they all
would have access to the data "no longer available for
unrestricted, public, query-based access", and could
thereby compete with the registrars for provision of
the "reveal service"... at least some competition
might help to keep pricing in check.

I can't help but get the impression that for the
registrars this OPOC proposal was never about
supporting the privacy concerns of their registrants,
but was instead just another way to suck even more
dollars out of the registrant's pocket.

As it stands now, in the larger scheme of things, it
sure looks like this "cure" is shaping up to be worse
than that which ails us. 



--- Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I find two wrongful premises' here. One; that any
> price will be a market price and two; that this is
> outside the scope of the WG.
>    
>   The registrars are already agreeably regulated and
> limitted in supply by non market forces. So anything
> they charge would not be market.
>    
>   Who bears the burden of a given recommendation is
> always within scope. Scope is reality not edict.
>    
>   Eric
> 
> Ross Rader <ross@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Whether or not you agree with icann's polcy of
> allowing registrars to charge market rates for the
> services they offer is interesting, but completely
> ot of scope for this working group. Tha is unless I
> missed something in my read of our terms of
> reference. Pricing is a matter of private contract
> between the registrars, ICANN and in some cases the
> registries. Those contracts now permit us to charge
> market rates for the services we offer.
> 
> Also note that impact assessments are not price
> regulatory instruments, they aresimply statements of
> imapct by affected parties which allow the council
> to more thoroughy understand the net benefit of
> their policy recoomendations.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Danny Younger" 
> To: ross@xxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "Tim Ruiz" ; "Doug Isenberg" ;
> gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 22/07/07 15:01
> Subject: Re: [gnso-whois-wg] A few questions
> 
> Hi Ross,
> 
> I'm not about to agree to giving registrars a carte
> blanche to set whatever prices they choose for this
> service. 
> 
> As impact assessments must accompany any proposed
> policy, I see this topic (ongoing registrant abuse
> by
> way of onerous registrar fees) as very much in
> scope.
> 
> .... and if you don't think that registrar fees are
> onerous, consider the $260 that some
> registrars/resellers charge for the Redemption Grace
> Period fee (that only costs them $40).
> 
> regards,
> Danny
> 
> 
> --- Ross Rader wrote:
> 
> > Danny Younger wrote:
> > > (1) For the sake of curiosity, how many billion
> > > look-ups are now performed monthly? 
> > > 
> > > (2) Under the OPOC proposal, how many monthly
> > look-ups
> > > would be anticipated? 
> > > 
> > > (3) Multiplying a "nominal fee" times the number
> > of
> > > expected look-ups will yield about how many
> > > million/billion dollars for the registrar
> > community? 
> > 
> > When I brought up the issue of fees, I did not use
> > the term "cost 
> > recovery" (although Tom has). Consistent with
> > ICANN's recent moves to 
> > stay out of the pricing game in the registry
> > business, and their 
> > consistent position that registrar level pricing
> be
> > set by market 
> > forces, I see no reason why the provision of these
> > services should be 
> > different. This working group is proposing a new
> set
> > of services, to 
> > which each registrar should be permitted to price
> in
> > any manner they see 
> > fit.
> > 
> > The question of "who gets how much of what" is
> > entirely irrelevent for 
> > this working group and vastly over-reaches ICANN's
> > scope of policy 
> > making responsibility.
> > 
> > -ross
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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