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Re: [ga] Responses by .biz/info/org Registry Operators are Unacceptable

  • To: kidsearch <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ga] Responses by .biz/info/org Registry Operators are Unacceptable
  • From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:42:42 -0700

Chris and all,

  Good points here Chris, and ones that have been debated
and discussed on this forum many times before.

  What is more important, and to the subject of this thread, is that
PIR/ISOC whom manage .ORG are not policing their registrants
as many porn domain names including kiddy porn registrations.

I personally have no problem with adult porn and never have.
I DO have a problem with kiddy porn, and anyone whom
directly or indirectly support same in any form or by any means.

kidsearch wrote:

> When I say nonprofit, I mean public benefit, with the proper credentials in
> their country for that designation. No one intends to judge who is doing
> real good or not, just that they are legally a nonprofit. People still need
> to check orgs out before donating to them, however it wouldn't be open to
> people who have not even bothered to file the legal paperwork.
> Charities with a legitimate purpose do not want to be associated with a TLD
> that also has porn sites associated with it. Creating this TLD would perform
> a public service. And Karl, making a judgement on what use a TLD has or has
> not seems against the principles of one who wants to start a dot ewe, which
> others might feel equally unnecessary.
> Not yours or mine to judge.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Auerbach" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx>; <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <info-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx>; <org-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Responses by .biz/info/org Registry Operators are
> Unacceptable
> > kidsearch wrote:
> >
> > > We desperately need a REAL nonprofit TLD such as .NPO that is managed by
> a
> > > true nonprofit for true nonprofits.
> >
> > Might I suggest that we eliminate the idea that TLDs are some sort of
> > semantic containers?
> >
> > DNS was not designed as a semantic directory.  It serves, quite poorly,
> > in that role only because, before there were search engines, people got
> > used to using it as a crude tool.
> >
> > Consider the idea of ".kids" - is it a TLD about young goats or human
> > children?  And ".cat" - is it about Catalonian, about domesticated
> > felines, or about boats with two parallel hulls?
> >
> > And isn't imposing an English word onto a TLD a kind of Anglo-American
> > hubris?
> >
> > Consider the issue of what is a "non profit".  First of all, "non
> > profit" is not synonymous with "non governmental".
> >
> > Second "non profit" is something which does not mean that the body is
> > somehow beneficent and in the public interest.  For example, here in
> > California, one category of "non profit" corporations are religious
> > institutions.  That is a clearly separate category from "public benefit"
> > corporations (ICANN lives under this category.)
> >
> > Non profit does not mean that the principals are unpaid or poorly paid -
> > often non profit structures are simply legal shadows for money pumps
> > into the pockets of the executives.
> >
> > To my mind the ultimate example of the dangers of using a TLD as a
> > category was when someone came to me and asked about the possibility of
> > establishing a TLD for Christians.  I pointed out that history is filled
> > with wars about who is or who is not a Christian.  Can you imagine the
> > anger that would be generated if someone set themselves up as the
> > "official internet" judge of who is or is not a Christian, Jew, Muslim,
> > Buddist, etc, etc?
> >
> > Now, if ICANN were to do what it has never done - which is to start
> > granting TLD slots at a reasonable rate (one per day would be fine by
> > me, but I'd be happy with one a week) without intrusive inspection of
> > purposes, business plans, or any other non-technical matter - then TLDs
> > could arise that garner meaning through use rather than having an
> > arbitrary meaning endowed upon it by ICANN.
> >
> > --karl--
> >
> >
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> >

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