Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Q&A - RyC and JAS WG VERSION 2 - PLEASE REVIEW by Friday May 20

[Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Karla,

thank for your the document, we have few hours to review the document before
sending it to the council in 19th May, the gnso council call will be at 15h
UTC ,
I think that the two first answers are missing, can you please check that?

Best,

Rafik

2011/5/19 Karla Valente <karla.valente@xxxxxxxxx>

> Dear Cintra, Elaine and all:
>
>
>
> Please see attached (also below) the revised responses incorporating
> Cintra’s and Elaine’s answers received via e-mail. It would be great if you
> could review before our Friday meeting.
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> Let me know what else I can do to help.
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> Thanks,
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> Karla
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> *Q&A Registry Constituency and JAS WG*
>
>
>
> The WG thanks the Registry Constituency for the comments and questions
> submitted. The answers can be found below.
>
> On a general note, the WG notes that criteria different from matrix.
> Criteria was part of the charter, but matrix is not.
>
>
>
> *3.2 Notes on Financial Need*
>
> The overriding consensus of the WG is that financial need and capability is
> the primary criteria for determining eligible applications. Such need and
> capability is to be demonstrated through the following criteria:
>
> 1.         Applicants must be capable of of contributing $45,000 towards
> ICANN's application fee, unless ICANN waives, or lowers application fees.
>
> 2.         Where applicants anticipate scheduled fees, such as for extended
> evaluation, the applicant must be capable of contributing a quarter of the
> scheduled fees.
>
> *[RYSG]  How was this determined? Is it sufficient to demonstrate
> viability? Some explanation of the WG thinking on this would be helpful.*
>
> 3.         Applicants must be capable of contributing $45,000 towards
> registry operational costs, if the applicant proposes to operate its own
> registry platform. If the applicant proposes to share registry operational
> costs with other qualified applicants, the applicant must be capable of
> contributing the pro- rated proportional share of this cost.
>
> *[RYSG] Is the $45,000 amount an annual figure?  It might make up a very
> small percentage of operational costs.*
>
> *[JASWG]*  Answer to 3.2 questions:
>
> ICANN used figures in this range in 2000 and 2004. As the final fee is not
> yet fixed, see fee reductions, elsewhere, this minimum applicant capability
> is subject to increase, or decrease.
>
> Current offers of record by registry technical service providers to
> potential applicants are significantly lower than this figure. The total
> marketing budget PuntCat invested in .cat was 2,000 euros.
>
>
>
> Nearly a year ago the staggered fee schedule was discussed as an inverse of
> the refund schedule:
>
> The applicant submits the $5,000 filing fee, and then  $50,000 at
> submission of application, $65,000 after the initial evaluation, and then
> the final $65,000 when they are approved for delegation.
>
>
>
> These figures might change if the applicants are not required to pay that
> entire fee, but it could still follow the reverse schedule of how the
> refunds would be issued.
>
>
>
> Here are few reasons the WG believes this helps the applicant:
>
> ·         No need to raise the entire amount up front;
>
> ·         If the applicant gets through the initial evaluation and then
> they see they might have a contention string, they wouldn't have had to put
> out the entire fee up front;
>
> ·         If it's clear there is no contention set they could raise the
> final amount of money from their financiers.
>
>
>
> First Milestone Report states that the applicant must be able to cover half
> the costs of the AG process.
>
> 4.         Applicants must be capable of of contributing $45,000 towards
> registry continuity operational costs, if the applicant proposes to fund its
> own continuity operation. If the applicant proposes to share registry
> continuity operational costs with other qualified applicants, the applicant
> must be capable of contributing the pro-rated proportional share of this
> cost.
>
> *[RYSG] It would be helpful to explain the basis for the $45,000 amount.*
>
> Part 4 - What benefits do qualified applicants receive?
>
> The WG recommends a number of different kinds of support to be made
> available for eligible applicants, which fall into the following categories:
>
> 4.1 Financial support/relief from ICANN
>
> 4.1.1 Cost Reductions
>
> The WG recommends the following fee reductions to be made available to all
> applicants who are determined as meeting the criteria established for
> support:
>
> •           Waive (consensus for this in the Milestone report) the Program
> Development Costs (US$26,000)
>
> •           Lower risk/contingency cost (US$60,000)
>
> *[RYSG] If these contingency funds are actually needed at the amount
> estimated, where would the deficit come from?*
>
> •           Review Base cost (US$100,000) to see if reduction can be made
>
> •           Cost reductions to encourage the build out of IDNs in small or
> underserved languages.
>
> *[JASWG]* Current offers of record by registry technical service providers
> to potential applicants are significantly lower than the $45,000 figure.
>
> If ICANN is correct in the cost estimates, then cost increase will be
> transferred to other applicants. Lowering fees for few applicants
> automatically rises to others.
>
> Regarding contingency, this is a risk cost. As applications are reviewed to
> a higher standard for eligibility, rational risk must, of necessity, be
> altered downward, reducing rational contingency funding requirements. The
> same question arises if the contingency funds actually needed are in excess
> of the amount estimated, for applications not reviewed to a higher standard
> for eligibility.
>
> A deficit can be catered for in several ways not yet explored by the WG.
> Insurance is one possible mechanism. There seems to be confusion as to what
> this $60K figure is meant to represent, which requires clarification from
> staff.
>
>
>
> *[RYSG] Does the WG believe that costs will be less for ‘IDNs in small or
> underserved languages’?  If not, what is being suggested here?*
>
> •           Lower registry Fixed Fees
>
> *[JASWG]* The WG is not making any assumptions the cost will be different
> for IDNs. This is, nonetheless, not a leveled field.
>
> What is being suggested is that ICANN support build out of IDN language
> applications and there are cost reductions for an additional IDN language
> application when the Applicant is already applying for a Latin script
> string.
>
>
>
> *[RYSG]  Assuming the fees are reasonable with regard to services provided
> to registries, would other registries be expected to make up the deficit?
> Or does the WG believe the fees are too high?  If the latter, was any
> analysis done to support that position?*
>
> •           Exemption or deferment of IPv6 implementation requirements as
> possible
>
> *[JASWG]* If ICANN is correct in the cost estimates, then cost increase
> will be transferred to other applicants. Lowering fees for few applicants
> automatically rises to others. These fees seem high.
>
> *[RYSG]  Could this put the registry at a competitive disadvantage
> compared to registries that support IPv6? *
>
> Further reductions recommended
>
> •           Reduction of the Financial Continued Operation Instrument
> Obligation to 6-12 months
>
> *[JASWG]* In the WG’s opinion, no. DNS providers who don't keep up with
> the market (which means IPv6 and DNSSEC in this context) will lose business
> to those who do. However, this will not, in our opinion, be relevant to new
> registries during the initial year(s) of operation, while the IPv6
> requirement is deferred.
>
> In some countries the IPV6 infrastructure might not yet be there. Also, the
> cost of having their technology is high for some applicants.
>
>
>
> The WG further suggests the IPV6 capability is offered to the applicants in
> need at advantageous terms.
>
> IPv6 implementation is likely to come with a host of problems and it is
> unconscionable to expect the developing world applicants to tackle these
> problems on their own, therefore it should be deferred or some form of
> special support be given.
>
>
>
> IPv4 numbers are starting to be treated as an asset with financial value;
> Microsoft recently paid $11 per IPv4 address. These companies just wait, or
> even find it in their interest to obstruct, while the underprivileged battle
> against the bugs in IPv6. It makes no sense for anyone to be a pioneer in
> transitioning to IPv6; it only makes sense to go there as and when others go
> there as well
>
>
>
> *[RYSG]  What if the registry fails?  Does the WG suggest a higher
> tolerance for failure in exchange for a smaller continued operation
> obligation?*
>
> *[JASWG]* The presumption of failure applies to all registries, including
> the 2000 and 2004 round applicants now, or their successors in interest,
> operating registries. The staff choice of three years of continuity funding
> rationally reflects the failure scenario for applications made by
> speculators and other uninformed investors. The eligibility criteria for
> applicants seeking support eliminate these likely-to-fail applicants.
> Eligibility criteria ensure that the likely elapsed time to continuity
> operator discovery for registries "in continuity" arising from support
> eligible applicants is significantly less than that of random speculator
> driven failures. See also the response concerning contingency risk, as the
> same higher review standard lower risk cost principle applies here.
>
> The WG is not suggesting high tolerance for failure; however, the WG
> believes that the continued operations following the failure is considerable
> less than the ICANN estimates.
>
> Not a higher tolerance, but a lower cost for the financial continued
> operation instrument obligation can be catered for in several ways not yet
> explored by the WG e.g. insurance?
>
>
>
> 4.1.2 - Staggered Fees
>
> Instead of paying the entire fee upon acceptance of the applications,
> applicants meeting the criteria established for support could pay the fees
> incrementally. Staggered fees payment enables an applicant to compete for
> strings that might otherwise have gone to the first and/or only group with
> enough money to apply.
>
> *[RYSG]  Staggered over what period of time?  What happens if progress
> payments are not made on time?*
>
> *[JASWG]* These details must be specified, but we are not yet done.
> ICANN's schedule, or process, is not under the control of the working group.
>
> Period of time and points of payment depend on the unbundling of the AG
> which we must request from staff. If payment is not made we have to discuss
> the options for the applicant but my thinking is the application is put on
> hold ... subject to the sunset period defined
>
>
>
> Part 5 - Evaluation process and relationship to the new gTLD Applicant
> Guidebook (AG)
>
> The WG has determined, at this time, that best possible process to provide
> support for such applications is to be done through a process that is
> parallel to, and not a replacement of, the ICANN Applicant Guidebook. Thus,
> even after the Guidebook is formally approved, this WG can continue its work
> to refine those components of its mandate which remain unresolved. It is
> important that the AG make mention of this program and refer interested
> potential applicants to it, however it is not the WG's intention to
> otherwise affect the existing application process. To qualify for support
> applicants may be required to demonstrate that they meet this program's
> criteria on financial need and public interest; however such activity is
> intended to supplement, not replace, existing mechanisms in the AG.
>
> The WG had full consensus that Applicants that receive support under this
> program should repay that support as possible, and that such repayments go
> into a sustainable revolving fund used to support the future applications.
> Repayment is dependent on the gTLD Operator's financial success and will
> take the form of either
>
> •           a capital contribution or lump sum; or
>
> •           an income contribution or annual installment of until a lump
> sum is repaid; or
>
> •           repayment of the full or a percentage of the reduced base cost
> fee expended by the Support Development Program.
>
> The following broad steps did not obtain thorough evaluation or full
> consensus by the WG, but have been suggested as a starting point to this
> process and will be further refined by the WG based on the Parts 1 to 4
> above. Note the process is meant to be to be in parallel with the AG-
>
> 1.     the Application is assessed using the criteria described in Part 3
> and this Step takes place before the Application enters the AG process
>
> *[RYSG]  Is there enough time for this?*
>
> *[JASWG]* We hope so :-) WG wants to know when the Applicant Guidebook
> will commence to answer this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Cintra Sooknanan [mailto:cintra.sooknanan@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:17 AM
> *To:* Karla Valente; SOAC-newgtldapsup-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Q&A - RyC and JAS WG - PLEASE REVIEW
> by Friday May 20
>
>
>
> Dear Karla,
>
>
>
> Please also refer to my responses emailled to the list earlier this week.
>
>
>
> I do feel strongly that the insurance to cover some contingency risk is a
> viable option and would like my responses particularly to that issue
> included.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
>
>
> Cintra
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Elaine Pruis <elaine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Nearly a year ago the staggered fee schedule was discussed as an inverse of
> the refund schedule:
>
> The applicant submits the $5,000 filing fee, and then
>
> $50,000 at submission of application, $65,000 after the initial
>
> evaluation, and then the final $65,000 when they are approved for
> delegation.
>
>
>
> These figures might change if the applicants are not required to pay
>
> that entire fee,  but it could still follow the
>
> reverse schedule of how the refunds would be issued.
>
>
>
> Reasons this helps the applicant:
>
> No need to raise the entire amount up front.
>
> If the applicant gets through the initial evaluation
>
> and then they see they might have a contention string, they wouldn't
>
> have had to put out the entire fee up front.
>
> if it's clear there is no contention set they could raise the final amount
> of money from
>
> their financiers.
>
>
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>