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[soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from JAS-WG Meeting - August 5
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- Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:14:21 -0700
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Karla Valente:Welcome to the August 9 JAS WG Meeting. Agenda is on the left
and the discussion topic on the top wiondow (note).
Carlton Samuels:Hello all
Alex Gakuru:hi
Seth Greene:Hello, everyone. We have set up wiki pages for members' comments
on the sections of the final report that are covered during the JAS WG calls.
Please use theses, as Carlton requested during the 5 August meeting, to record
all your suggestions for text changes to the final report (even if you also
bring up the suggestion during a meeting or on the mailing list).
Theseindividual wiki pages -- organized by the date the material is covered in
the meetings -- can be accessed from:
https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/JAS+WG+Final+Report+--+WG+Comments.
Many, many thanks for your cooperation.
CLO:RAFIK DO YOU NEED A DIAL OUT?
CLO:sorry caps
Karla Valente 3:@ Rafik: we are having difficulties to reach you over the
phone
Krista Papac:Hello all.
CLO:hi there
Krista Papac:Joining late...
Alan Greenberg:Meeting is late as well.
CLO:just starting seems ti bd a problem getting Rafik in the teleconf part
Alan Greenberg:On my attendee list, some people are blue and some yellow.
Does anyone know what the colour means?
CLO:log in as gues or sith password I thought
CLO:sith = with not a star wars reference
Alan Greenberg:CLO, did you use a password? I did and I am yellow, you are
blue (on my screen)
Evan Leibovitch:use the multi-stakeholder Force, Luke
CLO:na I onky use pword Of i'm runnjng a call *that would mean fining tnan
darn thing*
Cintra Sooknanan:Hello... was able to connect :)
Rafik:@clo finally in the call, looks there is conspiracy to prevent me to
participate :)
CLO:I trust not Rafik glad your here now though
Evan Leibovitch:a pay-what-you-can regime will be IMPOSSIBLE to administer
Carlton Samuels:@Rafik: Can I hand over to you now?
Rafik:@carlton just let me know in whcich item we are now
Wendy Profit:Please speak a little more slowly...typing as fast as i can
taking notes but missing key points and I do apologize
Carlton Samuels:@Wendy: so noted
Carlton Samuels:@Evan +1
Carlton Samuels:But I think we should expand the explanation and remove the
dollar amount
Alan Greenberg:On the cost reduction rationale, I really think thatwe need
more active involvement from staff and/or board members. That's the only way
that we will likely end up with rationale that can be sold.
Eric Brunner-Williams:we made some reduction suggestions, but we don't know
more than staff and so can't provide better knowledge than staff to the board,
so we can't provide a better answer, and it is time taken from questions
arising from recommendation 20 the board raised for which the board has no
better source of information than the jas-wg.
Carlton Samuels:@Avri +1. Seems to me we're not going to get more details on
the figures provided by staff.
Carlton Samuels:my response then is to say we want to suggest a) total waiver
CLO:yup that has been gone over any numbers of times
Carlton Samuels: b) redution...and here's what we deduced from looking at
staff figures
Evan Leibovitch:Staff opinion would be nice, but we can't depend upon it.
Alan Greenberg:Based on the commitment to support this WG, we should be able
to depend on staff input (perhaps not agreement, but input).
Evan Leibovitch:We are here to say what the community wants. We don't have
the luxury of time to hope for the kind of input that -- had it been
forthcoming -- would have been in our hands by now.
Alan Greenberg:I agree with Evan that we should not be wasting time here on
additional discussion. But I do feel that staff should provide input without us
begging. That's why we have so much staff involvement in these calls now.
Krista Papac:Agree with Evan too.
Evan Leibovitch:I would remind -- and encourage reference in our report -- to
reference in the original GNSO policy that explicitly allows more than one
possible fee
Andrew Mack:agree with Alan
Evan Leibovitch:I oppose wording based on speculation of what reaction might
be
Carlton Samuels:@Evan +1
Evan Leibovitch:we're here to indicate what the community wants, not outline
a bargaining position
Evan Leibovitch:All we need now is snoring snakes. does australia have those?
avri:@evan + we need to explain how things can be done based on the Baords
questions to us.
CLO:No Evan not to my knowledge but when Iturned the aircon off in my home
office room tonight before taking to my bed FOR this call there is a 2m
python who has decided it is way warmer to have moved into the room and is
curled up on the outlet vents (hey it is cold atm) having switched the aircon
off it has now taken up residence in the bookshelf in that room but could be
any where by morning
Alex Gakuru:@you are not serious, right?
Alex Gakuru:@CLO...
CLO:off course I am serious
CLO:I live with many snakes some of them pythons here were in "bushland"
Alex Gakuru:jeez!
CLO:pythons in residance mrand they keep the venemous snakes away fro the
house etc., as they are possessive of territory
Evan Leibovitch:I was simply suggesting in the answer to the cost-recovery
question is that ICANN be entitled to retain auction funds to offset net losses
encountered due to reduced-fee TLDs
CLO:NP just a way of life with wildlife
CLO:Understood evan
Evan Leibovitch:Avri's answer appears to address it
Evan Leibovitch:Rafik may have the tiller but the oars are still broken
avri:i have to leave this call now. bye.. probably can't make the Friday
call.
Carlton Samuels:See u Avri..walk good
avri:will stay on adobe, though may be distracted by another call.
Karla Valente 3:@ wendy: could please note Avri's proposal to Kurt and
request his feedback along with the question from Eric and Kirsta?
Alan Greenberg:Is this a 1.5 hour call?
CLO:yes Alan
Andrew Mack:I also need to leave the call now. Regards to all and thanks.
Carlton Samuels:..but no reason to keep it that artificially!
Eric Brunner-Williams:there is an unanswered, even unasked policy question
about qualified applicants as participants in auctions. if support begins and
ends in the application fee reduction, then any application which is not a
community based application (or brought by a party with a right to the name,
such as a government other than central) is at a disadvantage to all
non-qualified applicants in the same contentions et
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: this idea was abandoned......and a reason why Eric's
question is still relevant!
Eric Brunner-Williams:only if 14/16
Eric Brunner-Williams:most, but not all -- and the 14/16 metric is actually
quite high/hard to meet
CLO:indeed it is Eric
Eric Brunner-Williams:and we've allowed commercial in a small market or
whatever that language was
Eric Brunner-Williams:and that really is why i asked
Carlton Samuels:@Evan: the DAG answer to your scenario is auction
Rafik:@eric the case of entrepneur in small market?
Carlton Samuels:...and per EBW, this inherently disadvantages the
JAS-qualified applicant
Alan Greenberg:@eric. Did we discuss this before??
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: it was raised on the list as well as on the
telecon.....Cintra was the only one who kinda responded.
Eric Brunner-Williams:@alan: i don't think so.
Evan Leibovitch:The contention scenario is one that we're running out of time
to address. The ICANN regime of solving things by auction -- by definition --
biases outcomes based on funds available. It's not onlu JAS-qualified
applicants who will lose.
Carlton Samuels:@CLO +1 I was going to suggest that the report recognize
this as a hanging chad..and point out the disadvantage..
Eric Brunner-Williams:@evan: icann selected auction because it is a "fair"
allocation mechanism for unsupported applicants. the issue is what is the
"fair" allocation mechanism for unuspported AND supported applicants?
Alan Greenberg:So we need a "there be dragons there" statement.
CLO:yup
Evan Leibovitch:+1 alan
CLO:IMO
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Yessir!
Carlton Samuels::-)
CLO:Unknown territory and/but danger probable
Evan Leibovitch:I recommend that exact wording.
Evan Leibovitch:@alan: take what you can get
Eric Brunner-Williams:so no commercially attractive string can, under our
proposed implementation of recommendation 20, be allocated to non-first-world
commercial/speculative applicants.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:"Here be dragons"
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons
Alex Gakuru:@olc Mark S?
Evan Leibovitch:https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Here_be_dragons
Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1...create the context for the reference
CLO:perfect OCL
Alex Gakuru:ops! OCL
Evan Leibovitch:@eric. That is exactly what we need to state in the "here be
dragons" statement. We may be making some light to releive the tedium of the
call but the issue is indeed serious. In absence of a creative solution in the
timeframe we must simply flag it and indicate a willingness to address it
Evan Leibovitch:@CLO: are you taking about using something like surveymoney,
or just a regular mail? Surveys were used heavily in the Rec6 working group
Wendy Profit:I can pull it from the transcript to be sure and send it to the
list.
Carlton Samuels:@Wendy: Thank you very much
Evan Leibovitch:thanks for understanding my typo. I don't know what
"surveymoney" is
Eric Brunner-Williams:the bc went out of its way to ensure that their
applications (not meeting the jas recommended qualifications) will not compete
with jas qualified applications, and their mechanism for non-compete is
ensuring non-funding for jas qualified applicants. so they take this as a
serious risk to their applications.
Alex Gakuru:+1
Alex Gakuru:bye all
Evan Leibovitch:How did the BC ensure non-funding for applicants? We have
some BC members here (ie, Andrew) who are quite supportive. And -- as we
discussed in this call -- not all qualified applicants are merely community
applications.
CLO:bye till next time
Alex Gakuru:hahaha
Evan Leibovitch:ICANN has its own snakes
Evan Leibovitch:bye
Eric Brunner-Williams:see the bc comment to mr2
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