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RE: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public Comments on DAGv4
- To: "Phil Corwin" <pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public Comments on DAGv4
- From: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:28:09 -0700
<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div>I can lurk no longer!</div><div><br></div><div>Setting
aside the snark of Phil's email, he has a point. There is no apple so big
that can accommodate the extra bites taken over the last few
days.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But rather than lay blame at the feet of the
Business Constituency, I think we are falling into the trap set by ICANN's
history of never making a decision today it can put off until tomorrow.
It is why lawsuits are the real policy making processes.
</div><div><br></div><div>The ability to drive consensus is essential but, when
one considers the breadth of membership (now and potential), it ain't
easy. For me, the thing that ultimately gets us there is a shared
commitment to building out and protecting consumer confidence in the
Internet. </div><div><br></div><div>At bottom, most of the dissonance in
the BC merely is rooted in different appetites for arbitrage. We all have
far more in common, reason to find consensus and to work together to get ICANN
to live by its rules.</div><div><br></div><div>Too
preachy?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Berard<br></div>
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Subject: RE: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public Comments on DAGv4<br>
From: Phil Corwin <<a
href="mailto://pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>pcorwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Date: Mon, July 19, 2010 3:22 pm<br>
To: "<a href="mailto://zahid@xxxxxxxxx";>zahid@xxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto://zahid@xxxxxxxxx";>zahid@xxxxxxxxx</a>>, Jon Nevett <<a
href="mailto://jon@xxxxxxxxxx";>jon@xxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Cc: Sarah B Deutsch <<a
href="mailto://sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx";>sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>>,
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"<a href="mailto://michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto://michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>>, <br>
"<a href="mailto://mike@xxxxxxxxxx";>mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto://mike@xxxxxxxxxx";>mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a>>, "<a
href="mailto://jb7454@xxxxxxx";>jb7454@xxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto://jb7454@xxxxxxx";>jb7454@xxxxxxx</a>>, <br>
"<a
href="mailto://randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto://randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>>,
<br>
"<a href="mailto://ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
href="mailto://ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>>,
BC<br>
Secretariat <<a
href="mailto://bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
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0); font-size: 13px;"> <div>So we get a draft position less than a week before
the filing deadline, multiple BC members raise concerns about it, and then
we're told that for the sake of consistency it must be repeated
because there is no time to formulate a new approach? </div> <div> </div>
<div>Maybe the way we should operate is that without demonstration by member
polling that consensus still exists for the prior unsuccessful
arguments the Constituency should remain silent and we all
go file our own statements? But then of course Jon did formulate revisions for
which there appeared to be broader support, but I guess that's now
rejected because only even stronger statements will be regarded as consistent
with the prior position.</div> <div> </div> <div>Is that how this
Constituency is now operating? Biased toward suppressing alternate views
instead of seeking consensus?</div> <div> </div> <div>I would suggest that
in regard to all future policy matters on which the BC leadership wishes to
file a Constituency position that members be provided with a draft no less than
two weeks before the deadline so that there is sufficinet time to formulate a
new or revised position if there is significant internal disagreement
-- and that all such BC positions require a formal vote to see if there is
indeed consensus, regardless of past positions.</div> <div> </div>
<div> </div> <div><br> <div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"> <div
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<hr tabindex="-1"> <div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF390410"><font
color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Zahid Jamil [<a
href="mailto://zahid@xxxxxxxxx";>zahid@xxxxxxxxx</a>]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday,
July 19, 2010 6:05 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Jon Nevett<br> <b>Cc:</b> Sarah B Deutsch;
Phil Corwin; <a
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href="mailto://randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>; <a
href="mailto://ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>; BC
Secretariat<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public Comments
on DAGv4<br> </font><br> </div> <div></div> <div>I am sure there is some
validity to much of your arguments. Be that as it may. <br> <br> There is
little time to initiate a new approach and consensus within the BC for such a
new approach. <br> <br> As such we need to stick to our current accepted
positions and new comments consistent with these positions and comment before
the deadline.<br> <br> <br> <div><br> <br> Sincerely,<br> <br> Zahid Jamil<br>
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public Comments on
DAGv4</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div>
<div>Zahid:</div> <div><br> </div> <div>The timely introduction of new TLDs is
not a registrar issue or BC issue, it is a community issue. I am told
that the registrars are not commenting on the DAGv4 because they do not agree
on the issues sufficiently to have a uniform position. On the RPMs some
probably think they go too far and others might think that they don't go far
enough. I don't know. Some BC members think enough is enough and
let's get on with it. The New TLDs will be much safer from a TM
standpoint than .com and the other existing gTLDs, the vast majority of ccTLDs,
and the newly approved IDN ccTLDs. I have corporate clients that have
been waiting years to apply for their TLD. They are getting increasingly
frustrated with the same arguments being made. Just because some
arguments weren't accepted does not mean that they were ignored. Others
obviously disagree with that position. The BC is a big tent and we will
have a diversity of viewpoints, especially on this issue. Based on the
comments I have seen thus far on this list and in private e-mails of support,
it is clear that there is a division in the BC on the outstanding New TLD
issues. Some want the application process to open forthwith others don't
want to see it open at all or not for a long time. Big tent. </div>
<div><br> </div> <div>Per your last note. if you don't think that it requires a
consensus of the membership to reissue the DAGv3 comments in response to DAGv4,
then go ahead. Ron, I and others could have saved a great deal of time
working on redlines of the drafts.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks.</div>
<div><br> </div> <div>Jon</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <br> <div>
<div>On Jul 19, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Zahid Jamil wrote:</div> <br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite" style="border-left:
2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px;"><span
class="Apple-style-span"> <div lang="EN-GB"> <div class="Section1"> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Dear All,</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Have been
following in this discussion intermittently. Here are some of my quick
thoughts. The IRT is not and has not been the yard stick by which BC
comments or views have been formed in the past. BC did support the IRT
but clearly stated that the IRT had not gone far enough. If we take the
argument that the IRT position should be followed solely then please keep the
GPML in.</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">We currently have no solutions for the defensive registration
problem. The URS is not Rapid. There is no transfer of the domain
in a URS. The Trademark Clearinghouse is not a Rights Protection
Mechanism (admittedly). So what are we really left
with. </span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Jon’s
discussions here in the BC are reminiscent of the arguments Jon made in the IRT
and the STI where, at the time, Jon was representing Registrar interests.
He has been a valuable member of both groups and I look forward to his arguing
in favour of BC positions now with the same, if not greater, zeal.</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">Any argument that amounts to –they didn’t listen to us in the past so
let’s give up and settle for what we can does not address the problem.
There is much to be said about consistency. I would encourage the BC to
also take from the existing BC minority position in the STI report. That
is a BC position and hence, it ought to be repeated where appropriate (have
attached the STI report – BC minority position is at page 31). We should
be lobbying for better protection, in my view, not less since ICANN staff
proposals sideline and ignore business and trademark interests.</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">Lets also remember that the BC position has been vindicated in the
Economic Analysis which asks that limited rounds be undertaken and clearly
underscores the economic cost of the defensive registration problem. Just
because we haven’t worked on how limited rounds would be implemented it doesn’t
mean that the concept is flawed. The Economic study makes cogent
arguments in its favour. Its now up to ICANN staff and possibly community
to come up with mechanisms.</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Also the
Economic Analysis clearly finds that there need to be surveys and studies
(details in the report) which should be conducted and then mechanisms developed
based on actual statistics. Clearly showing that ICANN staff has run away
with the new gTLD proposal without adequate study and analysis. Hence,
mention of the Analysis is quite pertinent and I support Jeff’s views in
this.</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
11pt;">Have pasted my Brussels email below:</span></div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">My edits in
[...]</span></b><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></b><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></b><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <b><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></b><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">Economic Study:</span></b><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">In light
of the newly released economic study what steps are envisioned by ICANN staff:
including:</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">Survey (how)</span></div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">Study
(how)</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;">Past introductions</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;">Methodlogies</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">In particular re TM, user confusion
(notwithstanding the current RPMs)</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">P – 16 –
17 :</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;">Subsidies</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">Adjust Fee vs.
Favourable approval process</span></b><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">25 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="color:
black;">Potential consumer confusion or fragmentation of the
Internet</span></i><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;">26 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="color:
black;">Increased registration costs for companies that feel the need to
be</span></i><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <i><span style="color: black;">in multiple
places on the Internet</span></i><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">28 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="color:
black;">Defensive registrations</span></i><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">29 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="color:
black;">Increased cost to companies to police new gTLD registrations
that</span></i><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <i><span style="color: black;">violate
trademarks or copyrights [<b>VIGILANCE</b>]</span></i><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">44 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>74 percent of the
registered domain names either were “under construction,” for</span><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span>sale, returned an error, or did not return a website at
all. Thus, at least in the early stages of .biz, the great majority
of registered domain names were not being used to provide content to users,
again indicating that the registrations may have been defensive.</span><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">59 –</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">105<b>. A survey of
registrants would likely be needed to disentangle the extent to
which</b></span><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span style="font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">duplicate registrations are either purely
defensive (and constitute external costs) or generate benefits to the
registrants</span></b><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; color:
black;">. A survey of trademark owners could provide information on the reasons
for registration of domain names in multiple gTLDs, such as how registrants use
the additional gTLDs (</span><i><span style="color: black;">e.g.,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span style="font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">to provide new content or purely to redirect
to another site) and whether the registrants expect to reach a new audience
with the new gTLD.</span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; color:
black; font-size: 7pt;">115</span><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black; font-size: 15pt;">[Zahid
Note - SURVEY requested by IRT hasn’t been undertaken by Staff
either]</span></b><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">61 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">We recommend that ICANN consider the
potential for consumer confusion in deciding how quickly to proceed with the
introduction of gTLDs, possibly incorporating some methodology to measure
consume confusion as new gTLDs are rolled out over time.</span><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">62 -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">This potential project would use case studies
to examine the likely costs and benefits in broad categories of new
gTLDs.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;
color: black;"></span><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <b><u><span style="font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">Such studies would lead to recommendations on
how ICANN could craft its application process and ongoing rules to lessen the
likelihood of delegating gTLDs that will have negative net social benefits and
to enhance the net social benefits from gTLDs that are
designated.</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;
color: black; font-size: 7pt;">117</span></u></b><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">para 117 –
end:</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;
color: black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">117. First, it may be
wise to continue ICANN’s practice of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>introducing new gTLDs in
discrete, limited rounds</b>. It is impossible to predict the costs and
benefits of new gTLDs accurately. By proceeding with multiple rounds, the
biggest likely costs—consumer confusion and trademark protection—can be
evaluated in the earlier rounds to make more accurate predictions about later
rounds.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;
color: black;"></span><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color:
black;"></span> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">118. Second, in order to derive the greatest
informational benefits from the next round of</span><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; color: black;">gTLD introductions, ICANN
should<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>adopt practices that
will facilitate the assessment of the net benefits from the initial rollout of
additional gTLDs</b>. Specifically, ICANN should require registries,
registrars, and domain names registrants to provide information sufficient to
allow the estimation of the costs and benefits of new gTLDs. For example, there
might be mandatory reporting of trademark disputes.</span><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> <b><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size:
10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:
Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Deutsch, Sarah B<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>19 July 2010
15:26<br> <b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jon
Nevett<br> <b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Zahid
Jamil; Phil Corwin;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"
href="mailto:michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:jb7454@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">jb7454@xxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:bc-GNSO@xxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">bc-GNSO@xxxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public
Comments on DAGv4</span></div> </div> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Jon,</span></div> </div> <div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Thanks for
clarifying. If this is the case, then it looks like ICANN kept the
high burden of proof for trademark owners on the one hand and ditched
other parts of the deal, including that it be in exchange for a rapid
(hence the "R" in the name URS) process.</span></div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">As a practical matter, I
don't see how any trademark owner will be able to prove anything more than they
already prove in filing a UDRP case. For example, in most
cases, you'll know the infringer took your domain name, which is identical or
confusingly similar to your trademark. You may or may not have screen
shots of ads on their infringing webpages. You may or may not
have accurate WHOIS information about the infringer. You may or may not
have evidence that the infringer stole other third
party trademarks. </span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <br> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">There is
no certainty for trademark owners about what is meant by "clear and convincing
evidence" and how to meet that standard over the evidence we typically
submit in the UDRP process. Obviously, there's no way to know
the subjective intent of the infringer without full blown litigation and
discovery. At a minimum, ICANN needs to give more guidance on
this issue.</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">This
burden of evidence standard is just one more reason why brand owners will avoid
using the URS. </span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size:
10pt;">Sarah</span><br> <br> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color:
navy; font-size: 10pt;">Sarah B. Deutsch<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Vice President & Associate
General Counsel<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Verizon
Communications<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Phone:
703-351-3044<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Fax:
703-351-3670</span><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size:
10pt;"></span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> </div> <div style="text-align: center; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:12pt;;" class="MsoNormal"
align="center"> <span lang="EN-US"> <hr align="center" width="100%" size="2">
</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size:12pt;;" class="MsoNormal"> <b><span style="font-family:
Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jon Nevett [<a
href="mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxx</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <b>Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 19, 2010 3:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Deutsch, Sarah B<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Zahid Jamil; Phil
Corwin;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:jb7454@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">jb7454@xxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:bc-GNSO@xxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">bc-GNSO@xxxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public
Comments on DAGv4</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> Sarah:</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> Sorry if I was unclear. The intent of the IRT was to have the
same legal standard for the UDRP and URS (the same elements -- registration
with bad fait intent, etc.), but having a higher burden of proof (clear and
convincing vs. preponderance.</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Here are the relevant quotes from the IRT
report -- <a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"
href="http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-29may09-en.htm";
target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-29may09-en.htm</a></div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">"The Final
Evaluation analysis involves consideration of three basic issues, similar to
the standards for a UDRP decision, but requires a<b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>much higher burden of proof</b>."
(emphasis added)</span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div>
</div> <div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 9pt;">"If the Examiner finds that all of these elements are
satisfied by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>clear and
convincing evidence</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and
that there is no genuine contestable issue, then the Examiner shall issue a
decision in favor of the Complainant." (emphasis added)</span></div> </div>
<div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;"></span> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"
href="http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-29may09-en.htm";
target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-29may09-en.htm</a></span></div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">These positions had a
unanimous consensus of the IRT. Not sure the relevance of my status on
the IRT, but for the record I was told by the IPC that I wasn't representing
registrars on the IRT. If you had heard the crap that I got from my
former registrar colleagues, you would understand that I definitely wasn't
representing them on the IRT :-).</span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 9pt;">As I don't believe that the BC complained about this burden of
proof in the past on the IRT, on the STI, or any public comments thereafter, I
don't think that we should raise it here. If we think that the URS was
changed in a way that is problematic, let's focus on those changes instead of
trying to go back on issues that had complete consensus and haven't changed at
all.</span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size:
9pt;">Thanks!</span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 9pt;">jon</span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 9pt;"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">
</div> <div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> On Jul 19, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Deutsch,
Sarah B wrote:</div> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <br> <br> </div> <div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size:
10pt;">Jon,</span></div> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size:
10pt;">Thank you for your many constructive changes. I want to respond to
one suggested edit you made below:</span></div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <em><span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">*I deleted the clear and
convincing evidence issue with regard to the URS. As a member of the IRT,
I can say that it clearly was our intent for the URS to have a higher burden of
proof than the UDRP -- the legal standard is exactly the same. We
wanted the URS to be for "slam dunk" cases. The URS was to be a less
expensive alternative to the UDRP cognizant of the fact that 70% of UDRPs go
unanswered.</span></em><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue;
font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><br> </span></div> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size:
10pt;">1. I don't disagree that the URS, like the UDRP, should be used
for slam dunk cases. I'm glad you confirmed that the legal standard
was supposed to be exactly the same. It's my understanding that proof
under the UDRP is in fact based on a preponderance of the evidence standard,
not a clear and convincing evidence standard. See
below. </span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <a
target="_blank" name="1.3.1.1"><strong><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;">Section 1.3.1.1 – Burden of Proof (How much
proof is necessary?)</span></strong></a><strong><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></strong></div> <div
style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt;
margin-right: 0cm;" class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"> <strong><span
style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">In the
administrative proceeding, the Complainant must prove that each of the three
elements contained in Section 4(a) of the Policy are
present.</span></strong><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color:
blue; font-size: 10pt;"></span></div> <div style="font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm;"
class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"> <strong><span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Comment: In general,
the Panels recognize a preponderance of the evidence standard.
Preponderance of the evidence means that a fact is proved when it is more
likely than not that the fact is true.</span></strong><span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;"></span></div> <div
style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt;
margin-right: 0cm;" class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"> <span style="font-family:
Verdana,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">2. Rather than delete
this sentence in its entirety, I would recommend inserting back in the
following single sentence: "The BC recommends that while the URS is
intended to deal with "slam dunk," cases, we ask ICANN to clarify that the
legal standard remain the exactly the same as that found in the UDRP.
ICANN should clarify that while proof of bad faith must be clear, the evidence
generally can be established by a proponderance of evidence
standard."</span><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue;
font-size: 10pt;"></span></div> <div style="font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm;"
class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color:
blue; font-size: 10pt;">3. I know that you were a valuable member of the
IRT and at that time you were representing registrars' views.
Other IRT members point out to me one additional point. The "slam dunk"
aspect of the URS was in exchange for a quick and cheap process. No
one knows how cheap this will wind up being, but there is no question
that the "quick" part of this trade off has
disappeared. Many IRT participants confirm that the DAG4
doesn't represent anything akin to the deal they thought they had
struck. </span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;"></span> </div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: blue; font-size:
10pt;">Sarah</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-family:
Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br> <br> <span style="color: navy;">Sarah
B. Deutsch<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Vice President
& Associate General Counsel<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Verizon Communications<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Phone: 703-351-3044<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Fax:
703-351-3670</span></span></div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> </div> <div style="text-align: center; margin: 0cm 0cm
0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:12pt;;" class="MsoNormal"
align="center"> <span lang="EN-US"> <hr align="center" width="100%" size="2">
</span></div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size:12pt;;" class="MsoNormal"> <b><span style="font-family:
Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jon Nevett [<a
href="mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxx</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <b>Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Zahid Jamil<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Deutsch, Sarah B;
'Phil Corwin';<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">michaelc@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:jb7454@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">jb7454@xxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ffelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:bc-GNSO@xxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank">bc-GNSO@xxxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Re[2]: [bc-gnso] DRAFT BC Public
Comments on DAGv4</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">
Folks:</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Attached
is a suggested redraft to bridge the gap. I personally don't agree with
some of the arguments I left in the attached, but I tried to keep the
longstanding BC positions while toning down the anti-TLD language. I also
deleted a couple of the arguments that were objected to in some of the notes I
reviewed.</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> Here are some of the highlights:</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">
</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *I deleted the GPML section.</div> </div>
<div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *I deleted the clear
and convincing evidence issue with regard to the URS. As a member of the
IRT, I can say that it clearly was our intent for the URS to have a higher
burden of proof than the UDRP -- the legal standard is exactly the same.
We wanted the URS to be for "slam dunk" cases. The URS was to be a
less expensive alternative to the UDRP cognizant of the fact that 70% of UDRPs
go unanswered. Has this issue even been raised before by the BC?</div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *Based on
Sarah's helpful e-mail, I left alone the complaint about transferring names
after a successful URS as that has been an issue that Zahid, Mike and others in
the BC have argued consistently. I do note, however, that transfer was
not in the IRT recommendation and the STI agreed to add a year to the
registration at the request of the complainant as a compromise. </div>
</div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *Again
based on Sarah's e-mail, I left the PDDRP section pretty much alone except for
an argument about registries warehousing names, but not using them, as that
argument didn't make much sense to me. That's exactly the function of a
registry to warehouse names until they are sold by registrars. If a
registry "reserves" a name and it is not in use at all, the mark holder should
be thrilled that it can't be registered by a squatter.</div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *I also deleted the paragraph about
the Director of Compliance. I don't think it appropriate to comment on
those kinds of personnel matters. </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;">
</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *I didn't touch the arguments related to
community and 13 points (though I personally favor 14 points to avoid gaming --
sorry Ron), as that seems to be longstanding BC position.</div> </div> <div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> *I didn't do much on
the Market Differentiation section either other than soften some of the
language.</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> I have no idea if my attempt will get consensus or not, but I thought
it worthwhile to offer alternative language and I tried hard to find a balance.
</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div> <div> <div
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size:
12pt;"> Thanks.</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div>
<div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> Jon</div> </div> <div> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div> </div>
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