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Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised Charter, including updated Definitions

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  • Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised Charter, including updated Definitions
  • From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:55:35 +0100

The draft was sent by Margie this morning (European time).

I'm attaching it here.

Stéphane

Attachment: VI DT Charter SVG V10.doc
Description: MS-Word document


Le 19 févr. 2010 à 17:49, Mike Rodenbaugh a écrit :

> 
> I don't think I've even seen Milton's #5 yet since it came out of the last
> call and we are waiting for a new draft, right?  
> 
> Mike Rodenbaugh
> RODENBAUGH LAW
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:41 AM
> To: Rosette, Kristina
> Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised Charter, including updated Definitions
> 
> 
> Kristina,
> 
> In the interest of moving forwards and actually getting somewhere on this
> charter, may I ask if rather than a blanket objection which prevents us from
> finalizing the charter, you would be willing to compromise and propose a
> change to some elements of the wording of objective 5 as proposed by Milton?
> 
> May I also ask if the rest of the DT supports the current objective 5 as
> proposed by Milton? Because if that is the case, then we also have the
> option of moving forwards while noting, in the charter, the IPC's objection
> (and perhaps suggested rewording).
> 
> However, I would much rather go ahead with full consensus.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 19 févr. 2010 à 13:57, Rosette, Kristina a écrit :
> 
>> I do not support Milton's proposed objective 5.
>> 
>> 
>> Kristina Rosette
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx <owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Fri Feb 19 05:19:29 2010
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised Charter, including updated
> Definitions
>> 
>> 
>> Avri, Berry,
>> 
>> Thank you both for your excellent suggestions. Let's go with "working
> definitions". I suggest, as we are including definitions under a "working"
> title, that we do not add an objective to come up with definitions but
> instead, include a footnote to explain what Margie pointed out in her email,
> i.e.: that with Staff support the WG can continue to refine these
> definitions as it moves ahead with its work, but that refining them at DT
> level would have taken too long.
>> 
>> Margie, please update the charter to reflect this.
>> 
>> Then, if there are no further updates, please send the charter as a final
> document to the DT by 17 UTC today if possible.
>> 
>> DT members, I would ask that you then take the charter back to your groups
> for approval. Please note that the deadline we set for this was next Friday.
> I would like to set a deadline at 17 UTC on that day. Would that be workable
> for everybody (please let me know if it's not)? At the Council meeting
> yesterday, I informed the Council that we were working to provide them with
> a final approved document by next Friday so leaving the cut-off line any
> later will make it difficult for me to send that to Council on the Friday,
> although I realize that time may not be the most convenient for people not
> in the Europe zone. I apologize for that in advance.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> Le 18 févr. 2010 à 21:23, Avri Doria a écrit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In UN work, we often skirt this issue by calling them working
> definitions.
>>> 
>>> Often working definitions are the best one ever gets.
>>> 
>>> I am comfortable calling them working definitions.
>>> 
>>> a.
>>> 
>>> On 18 Feb 2010, at 15:07, Berry Cobb wrote:
>>> 
>>>> VI DT,
>>>> 
>>>> Since there is contention about the definitions included with the
> charter, is there a chance that we can add language that these definitions
> are work in progress?   Further, can we state this as an objective to the WG
> that the refinement of these definitions occur?  Something like……
>>>> 
>>>> Objective 7:  To formally define Vertical Integration, Cross Ownership,
> and other terms as necessary to establish VI policy for broad use by the
> internet community.   
>>>> 
>>>> If we were to establish this as an objective, it should probably be
> labeled as Objective #1 or #2 as they lay the foundation from which the WG
> would establish policy, if any.
>>>> 
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>> 
>>>> As was stated on a prior call, I do not believe we would have the
> Charter Objectives we have now without these definitions and I would hate
> for the WG to start from scratch. 
>>>> 
>>>> Berry A. Cobb
>>>> Infinity Portals LLC
>>>> 866.921.8891
>>>> 
>>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Margie Milam
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:27
>>>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised Charter, including updated Definitions
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> 
>>>> Please find attached a revised charter, that includes suggestions made
> to date by Brian Cute and Jeff Eckhaus, for your review.   I did not include
> Kristina’s recent email  suggestion, because I didn’t recall what variations
> were proposed by Milton with respect to “resale and wholesale markets.”
>>>> 
>>>> Please note that the revisions to the definitions  are intended to track
> the language used in current registry agreements.  These agreements use the
> terms “equivalent access” and “non-discriminatory access” to describe these
> obligations, but do not actually define these terms.  
>>>> 
>>>> At yesterday’s call there was a request that Staff develop definitions
> to be consistent with the analysis done through the implementation process.
> Doing this will take longer than a few days, so we suggest that the working
> group  finalize the charter based  on the current definitions.   Staff can
> continue to further develop these  definitions if that is useful to the
> working group, and update the charter when they are available.
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Margie
>>>> 
>>>> ____________
>>>> 
>>>> Margie Milam
>>>> Senior Policy Counselor
>>>> ICANN
>>>> ____________
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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