RE: If PIR is violating its own advisory charter, why do they expect to have .org renewed?
George, Presumptive renewal does not preclude the possibility that an organization would not automatically be renewed. It would depend very much on the nature of the inadequacy that might induce a decision to call for bids instead of automatically renewing. I assume you've drawn attention of PIR to this anomaly in the population of their advisory group? Vint Vinton G Cerf Chief Internet Evangelist Google Regus Suite 384 13800 Coppermine Road Herndon, VA 20171 +1 703 234-1823 +1 703-234-5822 (f) vint@xxxxxxxxxx www.google.com -----Original Message----- From: George Kirikos [mailto:gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:21 AM To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; org-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx Cc: john.jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: If PIR is violating its own advisory charter, why do they expect to have .org renewed? Hello, According to the .org Advisory Council Charter: http://www.pir.org/PDFs/pir_ac_charter.pdf "Section 3:... No two members of the Council will be from the same non-commercial organization." Michael Mann and Angela Stuber are both from Grassroots.org: http://www.pir.org/AboutPIR/CouncilMembers.aspx http://www.grassroots.org/page.ww?section=Highlights&name=Content+Detail+-+V olunteer http://www.grassroots.org/page.ww?section=About&name=Board+of+Directors Apparently, when this was brought to the attention of PIR, instead of rectifying the issue, they "did not see a problem with it". http://www.domainstate.com/showthread.php3?s=&postid=327276#post327276 I have nothing against Grassroots.org, but perhaps ICANN and the public should seriously consider whether PIR, an organization that seemingly has no regard for their own charter, should be operating such an important registry as .org. Indeed, with presumptive renewal, it would be next to impossible to remove a registry operator. This is yet another reason why presumptive renewal should never exist in any registry agreement. Sincerely, George Kirikos http://www.kirikos.com/