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Subject: Comments to John Klensin "Reflexions on the DNS, RFC 1591, ..."

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                                        Reflections on the DNS, RFC 1591, and Categories of Domains
John C. Klensin


                         The issues 1591 attempted to address
when it was written and those we face today have not changed
much in principle. But we should take a step back to refine a
model that can be function effectively today.

==> Dear Jon,

    Let me add some facts, as your picture of the 1591 is a little
    idealistic. The 1591 was issued in March 1994. At that time
    110 ccTLD were already recorded in the Internic database.

    Let come back to the end of 1980's.

    The first ccTLD was cretaed in 1985.
    In the late 1980s and until mid 1990s the NSF and many
    research institutions from the world made a tremendous work
    to *physically* interconnect different countries.
    In the spring of 1990 a group of Europeans were sitting
    together in Paris with Steven Goldstein from the NSF,
    collecting budget for the international lines, it was not easy.
    The budget for establishing international Internet connectivity
    in 1990 came from public institutions, i.e. public taxes,
    i.e. our countries.
    You may refer to the NSF Project Sollicitation for International
    Connections for the NSFNET, NSF90-69 (July 1990, I have a
    paper copy in my archives).

    What I want to remind to everybody is than at the evangelization
    time, when the Internet was a necessary mean of communication
    for the research community, the NSF made a tremendeous effort
    to visit every country and to establish a human trustees network.
    Each ccTLD created was used for a country and its residents,
    and with the corresponding country finances.

    In the spring of 1992 the NSF released the Project Solicitation
    for Network Information Services Managers, NSF92-24, and later
    signed the Cooperative Agreement NCR-9218742 with
    the Network Solutions Inc.
    (see http://www.networksolutions.com/nsf/agreement/).

    Since 1993 it became clear for more and more than the Internet
    may became a profit business. The NSI success made many
    entrepreneurs rushing for ccTLDs and some of them (twenty ?
    thirty ?) were distributed later on on the "first come first
    serve" basis (and I know at least one case when a ccTLD were
    refused to the first legitimate person requesting for and
    given to a foreign entrepreneur), and to mostly, if not all,
    native English speakers, much more skilled to negotiate it with
    Jon Postel. In such a situation no appeal, no solution,
    no place to make the problem public.

    The 1591 includes rules incompatible to some countries law,
    as this document was ignoring explicitely such difficulties
    (for instance in France you cannot differentiate people with
    regards to the residency, which means that we do not have
    anything more accurate than phone bill to indicate the place
    we may live).
    The 1591 ignores explicitely what a country is and relies on
    the ISO 3166 code, but it may diverge quite well, and it does,
    when some ccTLD's management were distributed without
    verification. It even happen that 4 ccTLDs corresponding
    to the *reserved* ISO 3166-2 list were affected.

    I see the ICANN forum as the place where ccTLDs subject
    can be eventually put into lights, and some hidden problems
    made public. And hopefully solved.

                                                  At the same
time, if a government wishes to make a change, the best
mechanism for doing so is not to involve ICANN in a potential
determination of legitimacy (or even to have the GAC try to
formally make that decision for individual countries) but for
the relevant government to use its own procedures to persuade
the administrative contact to request the change.

==> I disagree. What do you mean by "persuade" when some
    foreign authority (IANA) clearily interferred with the sovereign
    country and gave the management to a private company run
    off-shore in yet another jurisdiction ?
    Let me quote a recent message from a ccTLD list:

    "In many cases the Domain Manager is not an entity,
    but a bunch of rippoff artists that rent the name of someone
    in country and control his registered email address.
    Nowadays we have these generic ones that makes it even easier.
    They then pose as the Technical Contact and wonder when
    the Admin Contact later changes his mind".

    I think that before any categorization of ccTLDs
    a clarification be made to every ccTLD situation. This is
    of course extremelly uncomfortable, car many old legitimate
    ccTLDs may feel offended (sovereignty !) than an US private
    compagny may have even a say on their situation.
    On the other hand there is a contentious situation for
    some ccTLDs demanding clarification (and requested since years).
    And yes, ICANN (IANA successor) is involved -- there is no
    solution.

    Elisabeth Porteneuve

     
     

 


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