Re: Apology is called for

[Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>]

Due to the interaction of time zones and mail servers, I didn't
see Richard's handsome apology until after I had sent this.

  Brian Carpenter

Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Your personal attack on Dave Crocker is shameful. We are seeking
> consensus here, and being rude is no help. Dave has made many serious
> contributions, as has his brother, and your comment is beyond
> any reasonable bounds. You owe Dave, and Steve, a public apology.
> 
>   Brian Carpenter
> 
> Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> >
> > At 12:06 PM 7/13/98 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > >Milton,
> > >
> > >At 09:33 PM 7/12/98 -0400, mueller wrote:
> > >>almost incomprehensible. ISI's involvement with the Internet is purely a
> > >>product of US Government funding. IANA is nothing but a government contract
> > >
> > >I'm sorry to have to say this, and to say it this way, but statements like
> > >the above demonstrate the kind of confusion about ISI and IANA that are
> > >prevalent around the world, particularly among those with no experience in
> > >Internet development or operations.  The reality of IANA's position has
> > >been stated and restated many times, yet that reality continues to be
> > >ignored.  The fact that the US government's Green and White papers go to
> > >some lengths to substantiate the basis for your view does not make that
> > >view correct.
> > >
> > >IANA gets its authority from the Internet operations and development
> > >community.  It always has.  And it has always worked collaboratively with
> > >that community.  Having been part of that community, I speak from
> > >first-hand knowledge.  If you have first-hand data which runs contrary to
> > >my own, direct experience about IANA's activities -- independent of its
> > >funding -- please provide it.
> > >
> > >One more time:  IANA funding has come from the US government.  It's
> > >authority has come from the Internet community.
> >
> > Martin;
> >
> > Don't let this idiot get you down. He is *severely* undereducated
> > and likes to brag about "operaitonal experience" although he's
> > been faking it for years. Dave had made a career out of editing
> > other poeples work. For example, he is listed as the author of
> > RFC822 the spec for emamil. Daves brother actually wrote it,
> > Dave just got his name in it.
> >
> > IANA rules by will of the community ? That might have been
> > true in a 5000 host network, but a vast majority of the
> > 100,000,000 users of the net have no idea who IANA is...
> > or was.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --
> > The most important thing in the programming language is the name.  A
> > language will not succeed without a good name.  I have recently invented
> > a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
> >      -- D. E. Knuth, 1967