Richard, you shouldn't have (was Apology is called for)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Brian and all,

  Brian, It is our humble opinion that Rochard should NOT have made this
apology.  Dave Crocker doesn't deserve one.  He is a believer in excluding
the Internet User/Stakeholder.  That gTLD-MoU is prime proof of that as
he was one of its prime drafters and a member of it's leadership.

  Richard,  You had not need to apologize to Mr. Crocker.

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Due to the interaction of time zones and mail servers, I didn't
> see Richard's handsome apology until after I had sent this.
>
>   Brian Carpenter
>
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > Your personal attack on Dave Crocker is shameful. We are seeking
> > consensus here, and being rude is no help. Dave has made many serious
> > contributions, as has his brother, and your comment is beyond
> > any reasonable bounds. You owe Dave, and Steve, a public apology.
> >
> >   Brian Carpenter
> >
> > Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> > >
> > > At 12:06 PM 7/13/98 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > > >Milton,
> > > >
> > > >At 09:33 PM 7/12/98 -0400, mueller wrote:
> > > >>almost incomprehensible. ISI's involvement with the Internet is purely a
> > > >>product of US Government funding. IANA is nothing but a government contract
> > > >
> > > >I'm sorry to have to say this, and to say it this way, but statements like
> > > >the above demonstrate the kind of confusion about ISI and IANA that are
> > > >prevalent around the world, particularly among those with no experience in
> > > >Internet development or operations.  The reality of IANA's position has
> > > >been stated and restated many times, yet that reality continues to be
> > > >ignored.  The fact that the US government's Green and White papers go to
> > > >some lengths to substantiate the basis for your view does not make that
> > > >view correct.
> > > >
> > > >IANA gets its authority from the Internet operations and development
> > > >community.  It always has.  And it has always worked collaboratively with
> > > >that community.  Having been part of that community, I speak from
> > > >first-hand knowledge.  If you have first-hand data which runs contrary to
> > > >my own, direct experience about IANA's activities -- independent of its
> > > >funding -- please provide it.
> > > >
> > > >One more time:  IANA funding has come from the US government.  It's
> > > >authority has come from the Internet community.
> > >
> > > Martin;
> > >
> > > Don't let this idiot get you down. He is *severely* undereducated
> > > and likes to brag about "operaitonal experience" although he's
> > > been faking it for years. Dave had made a career out of editing
> > > other poeples work. For example, he is listed as the author of
> > > RFC822 the spec for emamil. Daves brother actually wrote it,
> > > Dave just got his name in it.
> > >
> > > IANA rules by will of the community ? That might have been
> > > true in a 5000 host network, but a vast majority of the
> > > 100,000,000 users of the net have no idea who IANA is...
> > > or was.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > --
> > > The most important thing in the programming language is the name.  A
> > > language will not succeed without a good name.  I have recently invented
> > > a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
> > >      -- D. E. Knuth, 1967

 regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com