Re: [ifwp] Re: The Board

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jim and all,

  I agree with every thing you are saying here Jim except that the
  nIANA must not be answerable to the Internet community or the
Stakeholders/Members.  As the White Paper points out andy and all
Allocation of IP address space, DNS TLD's and ASN's must be decided by
the STAKEHOLDERS/MEMBERS.  NO one else.  This is where the old IANA and
the nIANA part company so to speak.  These new policies that he Address
council/committee may recommend must pass muster of the
Stakeholders/Members by way of a majority VOTE before enacted as
policy.  ARIN/RIPE/APNIC must adhere to these policies as they are a
consensus driven policy.  THis is NOT part of the current system!  We
have policies that have been imposed by the IANA and the regional
registries that are not in the best interest of the Internet community
(RFC2050 and RFC1918 for example).  THere are others as well.  This is
PART of the reason why the White Paper was necessary.  Lets not loose
sight of that!

Jim Dixon wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, mueller wrote:
>
> > I think Karl is clearly correct here. I don't quite understand the
> > resistance of Jim and many
> > others to the words "property right" and "ownership." I think it is
> > a cultural thing. To
> > lawyers and political economists these are not "dirty words," they are
> > the substance of our
> > profession.
>
> It's not a cultural thing, and I have no resistance to the notions
> of property rights and ownership.
>
> We own routers and name servers.  They are our property.  Our equipment
> was purchased in the UK and we have well-defined rights to this
> equipment under UK law.  Try to take it and I will demonstrate our
> dedication to the notions of property rights and ownership.
>
> We also have several blocks of address space.  These were allocated to
> us by RIPE.  At the time of allocation we agreed that the address space
> we were acquiring would not belong to us; in fact we agreed that address
> space doesn't belong to anyone.  Anyone becoming a Local Internet
> Registry makes the same agreement.
>
> We allocate address space to our customers on the same basis.  We charge
> them a fee for processing the allocation, but once it is allocated it is
> theirs -- not to own, but to use.
>
> All Internet address space is allocated on this basis.  All of it.
> No one owns any address space.
>
> Address space allocation is inextricably intertwined with routing.
> Routing is cooperative.  We exchange routing information with our peers
> and all of us voluntarily cooperate to make sure that the Internet works.
> It isn't laws and ownership that makes routing work; it's voluntary
> cooperation for mutual benefit.
>
> If the new IANA is to continue to work as the old IANA has, it must
> continue to serve as a focal point for cooperation.  This is what IANA
> does.  IANA IS A FOCAL POINT FOR COOPERATION.  It doesn't own address
> space: it coordinates its use.  If you don't understand that, you
> shouldn't be involved in this discussion.
>
> We don't need IANA radically reconstructed just for the hell of it in the
> middle of this delicate transition to the new corporation.  We need to
> protect and retain the essence of the IANA.  The Internet has shown that
> voluntary coooperation for mutual benefit can build structures of enormous
> value around a central focal point. The new corporation must not destroy
> this immensely valuable thing; we have to make a new IANA that can extend
> this organizational principle to new areas.
>
> --
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Regards,
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Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com