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RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
- To: "Chris Chaplow" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
- Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
- From: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:34:08 -0700
<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div>Yup, that is what Mikey
said.<br></div><div><br></div><div>John
Berard</div><div>Founder</div><div>Credible Context</div><div>58 West Portal
Avenue, #291</div><div>San Francisco, CA 94127</div><div>m:
415.845.4388</div><div><br><br></div>
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Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices<br>
From: "Chris Chaplow" <<a
href="mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 10:31 am<br>
To: <<a
href="mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>>, <<a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
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style="font-size:12pt;"><span
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lang="EN-US">John,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">One source?? <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Lately the pattern has been quite constant ie an email from CN or
HK similar to the one below.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">In the past I have known phone calls to business from the
UK. One client asked me to return a call to the sales person on
their behalf to ascertain if it was a valid concern. The
sales person was very very well trained and the only ‘flaw’ in their sales
argument that they were acting in the interest of my client the was
insistence of the need to register for 10 years. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> best<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A">Chris
Chaplow</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><br></span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A">Managing
Director</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><br></span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><a
href="http://Andalucia.com";>Andalucia.com</a> S.L.</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Avenida</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
del Carmen 9<br>Ed. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Puertosol</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">,
Puerto </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Deportivo</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>1ª
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Planta</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">,
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Oficina</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
30<br></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Estepona</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">,
29680<br>Malaga, Spain<br></span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Tel:
+ (34) 952 897 865</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br></span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Fax:
+ (34) 952 897 874</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br></span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">E-mail:
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
target="_blank" href="mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";><b><u><span
style="color:blue">chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</span></u></b></a></span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br></span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Web:
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
target="_blank" href="http://www.andalucia.com/";><b><u><span
style="color:blue">www.andalucia.com</span></u></b></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br></span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B850A">Information
about Andalucia, Spain.</span></b><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div
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0cm"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a
href="mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 15 de marzo de 2012 17:41<br><b>Para:</b> Chris
Chaplow; <a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Asunto:</b> RE:
[bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">In
his presentation yesterday to the GNSO Council, Mikey O'Connor, lead on the
Fake Renewal Notices drafting team said they sought to determine if there were
"smoke or fire and we found fire." But he also said the problem was one
source. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Is
this your experience, too?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Berard<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote
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6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">--------
Original Message --------<br>Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal
notices<br>From: "Chris Chaplow" <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";><span
style="color:windowtext">chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</span></a>><br>Date: Thu, March
15, 2012 3:17 am<br>To: <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";><span
style="color:windowtext">bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">John,
Marin, Sarah<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">Client contacted me today again about an URGENT communication they
just received</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">I have replaced the actual client’ domain name with ‘name’
as this is a public list.</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US">(It's very urgent, Please transfer this email to your CEO or
appropriate person, Thanks)
<br>
<br>Dear CEO/Principal,<br> <br>This is Neil Dong---Senior
Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in china. have
something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on March
15th, 2012, one company which self-styled "Cakebake Investments co.,Ltd" were
applying to register " name " as Network Brand and following domain
names: </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US"> <br>"<br><a
target="_blank" href="http://name.jp";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.jp</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank"
href="http://name.com.my";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.com.my</span></u></a> <br><a
target="_blank" href="http://name.sg";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.sg</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank"
href="http://name.com.sg";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.com.sg</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank"
href="http://name.kr";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.kr</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank"
href="http://name.co.kr";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.co.kr</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank"
href="http://name.ae";><u><span style="color:blue">name.ae</span></u></a>
<br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.vn";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.vn</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank"
href="http://name.com.vn";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.com.vn</span></u></a>"</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US"><br>After our initial checking, we found that the brand name
applied for registration are as same as your company</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US">’</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US">s name and brand, so we need to check with you whether your
company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized
this, we will finish the registration at once. If your company has no
relationships with that company nor do not authorized, please reply to us
within 7 workdays,if we can't get any information from yours over 7 workdays,
we will unconditionally approve the application submitted by "Cakebake
Investments co.,Ltd" .<br>Thanks for your cooperation.
</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US">
<br>Best Regards,</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US">Neil Dong (Mr.) </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366"
lang="EN-US">Senior Consultant Manager </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A">Chris
Chaplow<br>Managing Director</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><br><b><a
target="_blank" href="http://Andalucia.com";><u><span
style="color:blue">Andalucia.com</span></u></a> S.L.</b></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>Avenida
del Carmen 9<br>Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo<br>1ª Planta, Oficina
30<br>Estepona, 29680<br>Malaga, Spain<br><b>Tel: + (34) 952 897 865<br>Fax: +
(34) 952 897 874<br></b>E-mail: <a href="mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank"><b><u><span
style="color:blue">chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</span></u></b></a><b><br></b>Web: <a
href="http://www.andalucia.com/"; target="_blank"><b><u><span
style="color:blue">www.andalucia.com</span></u></b></a><br></span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B850A">Information
about Andalucia, Spain.</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><ul
type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To</span></em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">:
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">Subject</span></em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From</span></em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">:
martinsutton@xxxxxxxx</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date</span></em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">:
Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:50:11 +0000</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;text-align:center"
align="center"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><hr
style="color:black" noshade="noshade" size="2" width="100%"
align="center"></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">John,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div><divre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">My experience is similar, although I have not
captured the metrics. I </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">often receive (third-hand via tech/admin email
addresses) slamming emails, </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">rather than fake renewal notices, suggesting
that domains are about to be </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">registered which include my brand, offering me
an opportunity to jump-in </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">and claim it, along with a bunch of
others.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Kind regards,</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Martin</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Martin C SUTTON </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Group Risk </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Manager, Group Fraud Risk and Intelligence |
HSBC HOLDINGS PLC HGHQ</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Group Security & Fraud Risk</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">8 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14
5HQ,United Kingdom</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">________________________________________________________________</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Phone. <span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span
class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhtextspan">+44 (0)20 7991 8074</span><span
class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span> / 7991 8074</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Mobile. <span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span
class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhtextspan">+44 (0) 7774556680</span><span
class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Email.
martinsutton@xxxxxxxx</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">________________________________________________________________</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">To:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">"Deutsch, Sarah B"
<sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Chris Chaplow'" </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Date:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">14/03/2012 17:40</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Subject:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sent by:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sarah,</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Any sense if the 25 a year you get is more,
less or about the same as </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">other similar-sized and positioned
companies?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Berard</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">-------- Original Message --------</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal
notices</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From: "Deutsch,
Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Date: Wed, March 14, 2012 8:36 am</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">To: "'Chris Chaplow'"
<chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx"</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black">John,
Zahid:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The attached
chart may be helpful for you as you discuss the fake renewal </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">issue. This chart documents the many
fake renewal/registration claims we </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">have received inside Verizon. Most come
from companies located in China </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">or Hong Kong. We?ve sent a cease and
desist letter to each, written to </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">the Hong Kong Telecom Authority and the FTC,
all to no avail.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sarah</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sarah B. Deutsch </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Vice President & Associate General Counsel
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Verizon
Communications </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Phone: <span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span
class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhtextspan">703-351-3044</span><span
class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Fax: 703-351-3670 </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [</span><span
style="color:black"><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue"
lang="EN-US">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span></u></a></span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">] On Behalf </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Of Chris Chaplow</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:01
PM</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">To:
bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Subject:
[bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">John and Zahid,</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I probably will not be at the Council
tomorrow. Here is the issue that </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">steve mentioned.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I have website client who get fake renewal
notices. Or phone calls.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">?We have a client who wants to register
<a target="_blank" href="http://name.cn";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.cn</span></u></a> and as you have
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a
target="_blank" href="http://name.com";><u><span
style="color:blue">name.com</span></u></a> and as we are a responsible
registrar (actually not accredited) </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">we wanted to check with you first before
accepting our client?s order. Do </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">you want to register for 10 years of $$$
??</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I advise my clients it is a scam, but just to
be on the safe side they </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">usually instructs me to make a defensive
registration and I do so for one </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">year with another registrar. </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Best </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Chris Chaplow</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Managing Director</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank"
href="http://Andalucia.com";><u><span
style="color:blue">Andalucia.com</span></u></a> S.L.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">Avenida del Carmen 9<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Ed. Puertosol, Puerto
Deportivo<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">1ª Planta, Oficina 30<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Estepona,
29680<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">Malaga, Spain<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Tel: <span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span
class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhtextspan">+ (34) 952 897 865</span><span
class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span
class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Fax: + (34) 952 897 874</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Web: <a target="_blank"
href="http://www.andalucia.com";><u><span
style="color:blue">www.andalucia.com</span></u></a></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Information about Andalucia,
Spain.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">************************************************************</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">HSBC Holdings
plc</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Registered
Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Registered in England number
617987</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
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lang="EN-US">************************************************************</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
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lang="EN-US">E-mail.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Internet
communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure,</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">error or virus-free. The sender does not
accept liability for any</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">errors or omissions.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><div
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align="center"></span></div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal"
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level1 lfo2;background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">References</span></strong><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">:</span><span
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type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal"
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level2 lfo2;background:white"><a target="_blank" name="02540"></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a
href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/msg02540.html";
target="_blank"><b><u><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal
notices</span></u></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><ul
type="circle"><ul type="square"><li class="MsoNormal"
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level3 lfo2;background:white"><em><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></em><span
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">john</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul></ul><p
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