RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices

["Chris Chaplow" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John,

 

One source?? 

 

Lately the pattern has been quite constant ie an email from CN or HK similar to 
the one below.

 

In the past I have known phone calls to business from the UK.   One client 
asked me to return a call to the sales person on their behalf to ascertain if 
it was a valid concern.    The sales person was very very well trained and the 
only ‘flaw’ in their sales argument that they were acting in the interest of my 
client  the was insistence of the need to register for 10 years. 

 

best

 

Chris Chaplow
Managing Director
Andalucia.com S.L.
Avenida del Carmen 9
Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
1ª Planta, Oficina 30
Estepona, 29680
Malaga, Spain
Tel: + (34) 952 897 865
Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
E-mail:  <mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web:  <http://www.andalucia.com/> www.andalucia.com
Information about Andalucia, Spain.

 

De: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Enviado el: jueves, 15 de marzo de 2012 17:41
Para: Chris Chaplow; bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Asunto: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices

 

Chris,

 

In his presentation yesterday to the GNSO Council, Mikey O'Connor, lead on the 
Fake Renewal Notices drafting team said they sought to determine if there were 
"smoke or fire and we found fire."  But he also said the problem was one 
source.  

 

Is this your experience, too?

 

Berard

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
From: "Chris Chaplow" < <mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 3:17 am
To: < <mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>

John, Marin, Sarah

 

Client contacted me today again about an URGENT communication they just received

I have replaced the actual client’ domain name with  ‘name’ as this is a public 
list.

 

 

(It's very urgent, Please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate 
person, Thanks)  
                 
Dear CEO/Principal,
 
This is Neil Dong---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution 
center in china. have something to confirm with you. We formally received an 
application on March 15th, 2012, one company which self-styled "Cakebake 
Investments co.,Ltd" were applying to register " name " as Network Brand and 
following domain names:       

          
"
 <http://name.jp> name.jp  
 <http://name.com.my> name.com.my   
 <http://name.sg> name.sg   
 <http://name.com.sg> name.com.sg 
 <http://name.kr> name.kr   
 <http://name.co.kr> name.co.kr  
 <http://name.ae> name.ae  
 <http://name.vn> name.vn   
 <http://name.com.vn> name.com.vn"


After our initial checking, we found that the brand name applied for 
registration are as same as  your company’s name and brand, so we need to check 
with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these 
names. If you authorized this, we will finish the registration at once. If your 
company has no relationships with that company nor do not authorized, please 
reply to us within 7 workdays,if we can't get any information from yours over 7 
workdays, we will unconditionally approve the application submitted by 
"Cakebake Investments co.,Ltd" .
Thanks for your cooperation.     

               
Best Regards,

 

Neil Dong (Mr.) 

Senior Consultant Manager  

 

 

Chris Chaplow
Managing Director
 <http://Andalucia.com> Andalucia.com S.L.
Avenida del Carmen 9
Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
1ª Planta, Oficina 30
Estepona, 29680
Malaga, Spain
Tel: + (34) 952 897 865
Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
E-mail:  <mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web:  <http://www.andalucia.com/> www.andalucia.com
Information about Andalucia, Spain.

*       To: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*       Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
*       From: martinsutton@xxxxxxxx
*       Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:50:11 +0000


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John,

 
My experience is similar, although I have not captured the metrics.  I 
often receive (third-hand via tech/admin email addresses) slamming emails, 
rather than fake renewal notices, suggesting that domains are about to be 
registered which include my brand, offering me an opportunity to jump-in 
and claim it, along with a bunch of others.
 
Kind regards,
 
Martin
Martin C SUTTON 
Group Risk 
Manager, Group Fraud Risk and Intelligence | HSBC HOLDINGS PLC HGHQ
Group Security & Fraud Risk
8 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 5HQ,United Kingdom
________________________________________________________________
 
Phone.                 +44 (0)20 7991 8074       / 7991 8074
Mobile.                 +44 (0) 7774556680      
Email.       martinsutton@xxxxxxxx
________________________________________________________________
 
 
 
From:
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
"Deutsch,  Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Chris Chaplow'" 
<chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>
Date:
14/03/2012 17:40
Subject:
RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
Sent by:
owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
 
 
 
Sarah,
 
Any sense if the 25 a year you get is more, less or about the same as 
other similar-sized and positioned companies?
 
Berard
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
From: "Deutsch, Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, March 14, 2012 8:36 am
To: "'Chris Chaplow'" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx"
<bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>
 
John, Zahid:
 
The attached chart may be helpful for you as you discuss the fake renewal 
issue.  This chart documents the many fake renewal/registration claims we 
have received inside Verizon.  Most come from companies located in China 
or Hong Kong.  We?ve sent a cease and desist letter to each, written to 
the Hong Kong Telecom Authority and the FTC, all to no avail.
 
Sarah
 
 
 
Sarah B. Deutsch 
Vice President & Associate General Counsel 
Verizon Communications 
Phone:             703-351-3044       
Fax: 703-351-3670 
From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Chris Chaplow
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:01 PM
To: bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
 
John and Zahid,
 
I probably will not be at the Council tomorrow. Here is the  issue that 
steve mentioned.
 
I have website client who get fake renewal notices.  Or phone calls.
 
?We have a client who wants to register   <http://name.cn> name.cn   and as you 
have 
 <http://name.com> name.com  and as we are a responsible registrar (actually 
not accredited) 
we wanted to check with you first before accepting our client?s order. Do 
you want to register for 10 years of $$$  ??
 
I advise my clients it is a scam, but just to be on the safe side they 
usually instructs me to make a defensive registration and I do so for one 
year with another registrar. 
 
Best 
Chris Chaplow
Managing Director
 <http://Andalucia.com> Andalucia.com S.L.
Avenida del Carmen 9
Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
1ª Planta, Oficina 30
Estepona, 29680
Malaga, Spain
Tel:             + (34) 952 897 865      
Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web:  <http://www.andalucia.com> www.andalucia.com
Information about Andalucia, Spain.
 
 
 
 
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Fake renewal notices

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