RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices

[Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am not in agreement with only one source for all fake renewal notices.  I 
ocassionally receive a notice NOT from  my registrar that my name is lapsing in 
X months or XX days, and that I need to sign and pay them and they will renew. 
only problem, not my registrar. 
 but that is different from the notice to corporates of the nature below, which 
I have seen as targeted at big corporates in particular. 
That could be primarily one or two sources, or cloning of the process used by 
one company, being cloned by someone else. :-)But if the compliance team is 
collecting the data, why can't they determine more clearly if it is a single 
source? 

From: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:40:06 -0700


Hey, recall at the end of Mikey's presentation about the smoke/fire point of 
inflection and he said "one."  I did not have the time to follow up.
John BerardFounderCredible Context58 West Portal Avenue, #291San Francisco, CA 
94127m: 415.845.4388




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Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices

From: "Chris Chaplow" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 10:31 am

To: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>



John, One source??  Lately the pattern has been quite constant ie an email from 
CN or HK similar to the one below. In the past I have known phone calls to 
business from the UK.   One client asked me to return a call to the sales 
person on their behalf to ascertain if it was a valid concern.    The sales 
person was very very well trained and the only ‘flaw’ in their sales argument 
that they were acting in the interest of my client  the was insistence of the 
need to register for 10 years.   best Chris Chaplow
Managing Director
Andalucia.com S.L.
Avenida del Carmen 9
Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
1ª Planta, Oficina 30
Estepona, 29680
Malaga, Spain
Tel: + (34) 952 897 865
Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: www.andalucia.com
Information about Andalucia, Spain. De: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Enviado el: jueves, 15 de marzo de 2012 17:41
Para: Chris Chaplow; bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx
Asunto: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices Chris, In his presentation yesterday 
to the GNSO Council, Mikey O'Connor, lead on the Fake Renewal Notices drafting 
team said they sought to determine if there were "smoke or fire and we found 
fire."  But he also said the problem was one source.   Is this your experience, 
too? Berard-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices
From: "Chris Chaplow" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 3:17 am
To: <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>John, Marin, Sarah Client contacted me today again about 
an URGENT communication they just receivedI have replaced the actual client’ 
domain name with  ‘name’ as this is a public list.  (It's very urgent, Please 
transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person, Thanks)  
                 
Dear CEO/Principal,
 
This is Neil Dong---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution 
center in china. have something to confirm with you. We formally received an 
application on March 15th, 2012, one company which self-styled "Cakebake 
Investments co.,Ltd" were applying to register " name " as Network Brand and 
following domain names:                 
"
name.jp  
name.com.my   
name.sg   
name.com.sg 
name.kr   
name.co.kr  
name.ae  
name.vn   
name.com.vn"
After our initial checking, we found that the brand name applied for 
registration are as same as  your company’s name and brand, so we need to check 
with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these 
names. If you authorized this, we will finish the registration at once. If your 
company has no relationships with that company nor do not authorized, please 
reply to us within 7 workdays,if we can't get any information from yours over 7 
workdays, we will unconditionally approve the application submitted by 
"Cakebake Investments co.,Ltd" .
Thanks for your cooperation.                    
Best Regards, Neil Dong (Mr.) Senior Consultant Manager    Chris Chaplow
Managing Director
Andalucia.com S.L.
Avenida del Carmen 9
Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
1ª Planta, Oficina 30
Estepona, 29680
Malaga, Spain
Tel: + (34) 952 897 865
Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: www.andalucia.com
Information about Andalucia, Spain.To: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: RE: 
[bc-gnso] Fake renewal noticesFrom: martinsutton@xxxxxxxxDate: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 
17:50:11 +0000John, My experience is similar, although I have not captured the 
metrics.  I often receive (third-hand via tech/admin email addresses) slamming 
emails, rather than fake renewal notices, suggesting that domains are about to 
be registered which include my brand, offering me an opportunity to jump-in and 
claim it, along with a bunch of others. Kind regards, MartinMartin C SUTTON 
Group Risk Manager, Group Fraud Risk and Intelligence | HSBC HOLDINGS PLC 
HGHQGroup Security & Fraud Risk8 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 
5HQ,United 
Kingdom________________________________________________________________ Phone.  
               +44 (0)20 7991 8074       / 7991 8074Mobile.                 +44 
(0) 7774556680      Email.       
martinsutton@xxxxxxxx________________________________________________________________
   From:<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:"Deutsch,  Sarah B" 
<sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Chris Chaplow'" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
"bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>Date:14/03/2012 17:40Subject:RE: 
[bc-gnso] Fake renewal noticesSent by:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx   Sarah, Any 
sense if the 25 a year you get is more, less or about the same as other 
similar-sized and positioned companies? Berard-------- Original Message 
--------Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal noticesFrom: "Deutsch, Sarah B" 
<sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>Date: Wed, March 14, 2012 8:36 amTo: "'Chris 
Chaplow'" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx"<bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> John, 
Zahid: The attached chart may be helpful for you as you discuss the fake 
renewal issue.  This chart documents the many fake renewal/registration claims 
we have received inside Verizon.  Most come from companies located in China or 
Hong Kong.  We?ve sent a cease and desist letter to each, written to the Hong 
Kong Telecom Authority and the FTC, all to no avail. Sarah   Sarah B. Deutsch 
Vice President & Associate General Counsel Verizon Communications Phone:        
     703-351-3044       Fax: 703-351-3670 From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris ChaplowSent: Tuesday, March 
13, 2012 6:01 PMTo: bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxxSubject: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices 
John and Zahid, I probably will not be at the Council tomorrow. Here is the  
issue that steve mentioned. I have website client who get fake renewal notices. 
 Or phone calls. ?We have a client who wants to register  name.cn   and as you 
have name.com  and as we are a responsible registrar (actually not accredited) 
we wanted to check with you first before accepting our client?s order. Do you 
want to register for 10 years of $$$  ?? I advise my clients it is a scam, but 
just to be on the safe side they usually instructs me to make a defensive 
registration and I do so for one year with another registrar.  Best Chris 
ChaplowManaging DirectorAndalucia.com S.L.Avenida del Carmen 9Ed. Puertosol, 
Puerto Deportivo1ª Planta, Oficina 30Estepona, 29680Malaga, SpainTel:           
  + (34) 952 897 865      Fax: + (34) 952 897 874E-mail: 
chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxWeb: www.andalucia.comInformation about Andalucia, Spain.    
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