Re: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)

["J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>]

John:

Thanks for the comment.  That's just the kind of dialogue I am looking for 
here.  Others?

J. Scott

 
j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx




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 From: "john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>; "Smith, Bill" 
<bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; stephvg@xxxxxxxxx 
Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" 
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Subject: RE: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
 


J. Scott, et. al.,
 
With regard to whether it will be a political bombshell or not, I cannot say, 
but as the GNSO Council liaison to the ccNSO Council I have come to appreciate 
the bright line they draw between the "g" and the "cc" name space.  I suspect 
that even if Stephane's suggestion would not be the incendiary device you 
foretell, it would be a distraction from the more urgent matter of solving the 
directory services problem for the the gTLDs.  I would vote not to include the 
language.
 
My two cents.
 
Berard
 
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>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
>From: "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
>Date: 8/5/13 3:25 pm
>To: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, stephvg@xxxxxxxxx
>Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" 
><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>
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>Dear All:
>
>
>I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane.  I am 
>fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a 
>political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
>
>
>As for Bill's suggestion about "entities".  I have attempted to suggest 
>language that I think assuage my concerns.  Bill?
>
>
>J. Scott
> 
> 
>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
>408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
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>________________________________
>From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "<stephvg@xxxxxxxxx>" <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx> 
>Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>; "Smith, Bill" 
><bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
>"bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition 
>but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to 
>look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty 
>of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by 
>its nature sensitive. 
> 
>(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
> 
>Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated 
>and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a 
>secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security 
>professionals will be no small task.
> 
> 
> 
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>On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the 
>possibility of extending this work to the cc space. 
>> 
>>The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
>> 
>>Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>Stéphane Van Gelder
>>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur
>>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
>>
>>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89
>>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053
>>Skype: SVANGELDER
>>www.StephaneVanGelder.com
>>----------------
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>>Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
>>Bill and team:
>>>
>>>
>>>I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions.  I have 
>>>attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
>>>
>>>
>>>J. Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
>>>408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: "stephvg@xxxxxxxxx" <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" 
>>><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>>>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>+1 
>>> 
>>>Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace 
>>>web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my 
>>>changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction 
>>>between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the 
>>>web.
>>> 
>>>I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to 
>>>include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no 
>>>foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. 
>>>Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they 
>>>become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the 
>>>Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer 
>>>loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
>>> 
>>>I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data 
>>>aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent 
>>>on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks 
>>>given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for 
>>>crimes they uncover.
>>> 
>>>I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>>Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document 
>>>that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined 
>>>by our charter. 
>>>> 
>>>>If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's 
>>>>work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact 
>>>>that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing 
>>>>gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet 
>>>>users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the 
>>>>adoption of the same, single-format, model.
>>>> 
>>>>I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this 
>>>>point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways 
>>>>of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective 
>>>>and more uniform registration data database.
>>>> 
>>>>Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot 
>>>>on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
>>>> 
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur
>>>>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
>>>>
>>>>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89
>>>>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053
>>>>Skype: SVANGELDER
>>>>www.StephaneVanGelder.com
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>>>>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us 
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>>>>
>>>>Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD 
>>>>Directory Services. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from 
>>>>>Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug 
>>>>>with edits or questions.  
>>>>> 
>>>>>--Steve DelBianco 
>>>>>Vice chair for policy coordination
>>>>>Business Constituency
>>>>> 
>>>>> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model 
>>>[v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc>
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